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RE: Is patriotism important and why? Is it a virtuous quality?
Posted on: February 6, 2019 at 09:26:07 CT
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Is patriotism important and why?
Humans certainly have shown a need to feel a part of groups - families, clans, villages, towns, cities, states, nations, all of humanity; my general sense of this is that some humans value the smaller groups more than the larger and others may find more value in larger groups to identify and share with.
I don't loath nation-states and gvmts as you do, but recognize them for what they are - a representation of force; but that force isn't always in use nor is it always nor even generally applied - the vast majority of citizens live without any sense of applied force - OR they gladly accept the small considerations of small forces upon them to have a structure within a large society.
So the answer - Not universally "important", an individual issue, but a key part of maintaining a nation-state if one values it.
Is it a virtuous quality?
No, but I don't see it as inherently vile either. Extremes are usually not good, but have over time also produced remarkable things.
Is American Patriotism different from any other nation/nation state's patriotism?
Of course, as they are all unique. Despite having shared characteristics (duh, we're using the same term for all) - there are factors and a continuum of information/misinformation, transparency/secrecy about the operations of the governing elite which have a massive impact on the "nature" of that patriotism - or the results thereof.
You wouldn't call it patriotism, but if you lived in a leaderless society and were very proud of it, you'd be exhibiting the same emotion as Patriotism -and it wouldn't' be inherently bad or good, but quite unique from patriotism in Nazi germany or Communist China or Socialist USA.
Humans certainly have shown a need to feel a part of groups - families, clans, villages, towns, cities, states, nations, all of humanity; my general sense of this is that some humans value the smaller groups more than the larger and others may find more value in larger groups to identify and share with.
I don't loath nation-states and gvmts as you do, but recognize them for what they are - a representation of force; but that force isn't always in use nor is it always nor even generally applied - the vast majority of citizens live without any sense of applied force - OR they gladly accept the small considerations of small forces upon them to have a structure within a large society.
So the answer - Not universally "important", an individual issue, but a key part of maintaining a nation-state if one values it.
Is it a virtuous quality?
No, but I don't see it as inherently vile either. Extremes are usually not good, but have over time also produced remarkable things.
Is American Patriotism different from any other nation/nation state's patriotism?
Of course, as they are all unique. Despite having shared characteristics (duh, we're using the same term for all) - there are factors and a continuum of information/misinformation, transparency/secrecy about the operations of the governing elite which have a massive impact on the "nature" of that patriotism - or the results thereof.
You wouldn't call it patriotism, but if you lived in a leaderless society and were very proud of it, you'd be exhibiting the same emotion as Patriotism -and it wouldn't' be inherently bad or good, but quite unique from patriotism in Nazi germany or Communist China or Socialist USA.
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RE: Is patriotism important and why? Is it a virtuous quality? - 90Tiger MU - 2/6 09:26:07