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JG: Your "compromise" has a few problems.

Posted on: January 19, 2019 at 21:05:35 CT
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1. Trump gives up the wall except in urban areas. I think you'll find that a "wall" currently exists in most "urban" areas (any town with a border crossing) in the Southwest. In my experience, it's typically a concrete wall 10 to 15 feet tall topped by razor wire. Usually there's a second wire mesh fence 10 to 20 feet inside the U.S. behind the wall.

In most of the rural areas, i.e. farms, ranches, desert, wilderness, the current border is perhaps a single or several wire fences, in places in Arizona a single four strand barbed wire fence. And the coyotes go where the walls ain't.

2. Your proposal will require some type of system to identify citizens, resident aliens and visa holders from illegals. That suggests that perhaps you're proposing or willing to accept a high tech high security national identity card. Something far more than the current system. It is relatively easy to obtain U.S. identity cards of one kind or another, i.e. driver's licenses, social security cards, even pass ports.

I do understand the country is going to a state issued card system for citizens for travel security.

There's also the small "California" issue. It issues driver's licenses to illegals.

3. Denying welfare, schooling and health care to illegals would appeal to many folks, but do you seriously think the country will accept a system that denies essentials to people based simply on their citizenship?

There's also the massive private charity system. It gives a very significant amount of assistance to the poor and homeless and it doesn't worry about whether the folks are illegals or not. Are you going to make the charities and their sponsors, i.e. churches responsible for enforcing immigration laws.

You are also essentially shifting the burden of policing the immigration system to the "private" sector. I.e. asking hospitals, etc to police the system imposes what is essentially a governmental function on them. That's a burden and responsibility they didn't sign up for.

3. The current system has substantial penalties for employers of illegals. Increasing them isn't likely to have much impact because I can tell you from personal experience that many businesses that employ illegals are not only aware of the potential penalties, but have taken steps to protect themselves from prosecution, even if they still "employ" illegals. And again, you're going to require the private sector to police immigration, you're going to have to have a much better system for the private sector to determine whether or not someone is an illegal.

4. Asylum standards are pretty lax right now. So loosing them is not a big deal unless you're proposing including economic hardship, i.e. poverty as grounds for getting into the country.

5. More temporary ag workers is becoming increasingly less and less important. Technology is producing machines that are replacing hand labor.

6. And bluntly, your compromise is not realistic because Chuck and Nancy can't deliver it, they can't get the liberal wing of the party to go along with it.

So, back to the drawing board.
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JG: Your "compromise" has a few problems. - ScottsdaleTiger MU - 1/19 21:05:35
          Who ever said that? - JG A - 1/19 22:11:11
               why address how to handle illegals vis a vis those - 90Tiger MU - 1/19 22:17:58
                    My plan would work on making it less attractive - JG A - 1/19 22:22:22
                         Baiting them would include NOT having a big wall to - GA Tiger MU - 1/20 09:12:28
                         If you eliminate the welfare state, why would you - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 22:24:12
                              I don't have half the problem as you simpletons - JG A - 1/19 22:25:25
                                   You believe in statism and law that infringes upon rights.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 22:26:59
                                        What BS. If they want their "rights" they can - GA Tiger MU - 1/20 09:13:40
                                        Not so much - JG A - 1/19 22:28:16
                                             You claim to be against eminent domain yet cheer government - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 22:31:04
                                                  Link? - JG A - 1/19 22:32:32
                                             Natural rights infringe upon no one. You have zero - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 22:28:56
                                                  I understand unworkable radical fringe - JG A - 1/19 22:31:49
                                                       You have no regard for rights. You are no different than - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 22:33:49
                                                            And yet here you are arguing to support the liberal wall - JG A - 1/19 22:35:49
                                                                 Lol. I don't support the wall doofus.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 22:39:54
                                                                      Speaking of the wall of lies - TIGERROAR MU - 1/20 08:20:55
                                                                      Ok sure - JG A - 1/19 22:42:30
     Any solution is going to require changes - JG A - 1/19 21:19:25
          You say the word liberal as if you know what it means. - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 21:35:16
               You keep giving him clicks(nm) - tman MU - 1/19 21:48:30
                    Frankly I wish every one of you damn republigistians - JG A - 1/19 21:50:28
               RE: You say the word liberal as if you know what it means. - JG A - 1/19 21:37:24
                    As I said.. you do not know what a liberal is.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 21:40:13
                         RE: As I said.. you do not know what a liberal is.(nm) - JG A - 1/19 21:40:58
                              You keep posting the same retarded link. A liberal is - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 21:42:08
                                   LOL wut the phuck are you talking about now? - JG A - 1/19 21:45:42
                                        Exactly. You don't know your head from your ass. - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 21:50:31
                                             What does that flamer have to do with anything? - JG A - 1/19 21:59:03
                                                  Maybe you'd learn what a liberal is instead of confusing - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 22:00:23
                                                       Pickletonians are as liberal as can be - JG A - 1/19 22:10:26
                                                            So you admit your link is false. Because what you label - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 22:20:43
                                                                 Wut link? - JG A - 1/19 22:23:56
                                                                      No you did not point out liberal principles - TigerMatt MU - 1/19 22:26:01
                                                                           Spankmantics rarely work - JG A - 1/19 22:33:37




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