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RE: HOAs are de facto government

Posted on: December 16, 2018 at 21:59:36 CT
MUTGR MU
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Yeah, that's my view as well. I think it's hypocritical to say you are anti-government and submit to and participate in an HOA.

Government by another name.
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No scientific proof war is ingrained in human nature - pickle MU - 12/16 21:22:00
     This thread should be subtitled: "Decentralization of Power: - ummmm MU - 12/17 07:29:46
          No, it should be subtitled: pseudo scientific crap. You - hokie VT - 12/17 08:01:02
               I wasn't talking about the OP article. I was talking about - ummmm MU - 12/17 08:34:22
               i doubt you read the article or the paper (nm) - pickle MU - 12/17 08:33:15
     War is learned. Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 12/17 06:53:54
     but there are "preconditions that made war more likely" - tigerinhogtown STL - 12/16 23:33:34
     Other than a study of human nature of course. nm. - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:01:08
     Humans sure seem to engage in it all too frequently. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/16 21:56:57
     Some person or group of persons has a beef with some person - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 21:31:39
          Is government the only source of power? Has it been the - MUTGR MU - 12/16 21:37:06
               The government only has power because people believe it - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 21:39:54
                    RE: The government only has power because people believe it - THEGROVE68 MU - 12/17 01:09:22
                    You believe in libertarianism? nm. - MUTGR MU - 12/16 21:41:30
                         Of course he does. - limenats MU - 12/16 21:44:05
                              He is a member of an HOA. But he's anti-government. nm - MUTGR MU - 12/16 21:51:22
                                   HOA's are voluntary organizations - meatiger MU - 12/16 22:22:43
                                        RE: HOA's are voluntary organizations - THEGROVE68 MU - 12/17 01:10:52
                                        No they are not. IF I am born to parents living - tman MU - 12/16 22:37:41
                                             In your case.. you don't own the house. Your parents can be - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 22:40:51
                                                  Still the same. Let's start with the basics - tman MU - 12/16 22:43:35
                                                       the basics - pickle MU - 12/16 23:56:11
                                                            RE: the basics - THEGROVE68 MU - 12/17 01:20:53
                                                                 100% incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 12/17 06:11:11
                                                       Yes, emigration is comparable to moving to a new house. Lol(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 22:47:59
                                                            Is it the same when looking at if they are voluntary(nm) - tman MU - 12/16 22:49:49
                                                                 Government is not voluntary (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 23:56:41
                                                                      Neither are HOAS than(nm) - tman MU - 12/17 08:43:03
                                                                           good grief (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/17 10:41:51
                                             RE: No they are not. IF I am born to parents living - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:39:05
                                                  They are the same see above(nm) - tman MU - 12/16 22:44:02
                                                       RE: They are the same see above(nm) - meatiger MU - 12/16 23:07:43
                                                            I'm not an anarchist either. I just would prefer the power - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 23:20:51
                                                                 RE: I'm not an anarchist either. I just would prefer the power - THEGROVE68 MU - 12/17 01:27:53
                                                                      "the will of the people" is an illusion, a falsehood (nm) - pickle MU - 12/17 07:34:46
                                                                           RE: "the will of the people" is an illusion, a falsehood (nm) - THEGROVE68 MU - 12/17 08:43:27
                                                                                Yes, really. - pickle MU - 12/17 08:51:24
                                                                 That - meatiger MU - 12/16 23:34:31
                                                            They are alla form og government. Why do you care - tman MU - 12/16 23:19:48
                                                                 In that case - meatiger MU - 12/16 23:33:36
                                        Okay, that's the difference. What about people that convert - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:26:03
                                             RE: Okay, that's the difference. What about people that convert - meatiger MU - 12/16 22:30:48
                                   HOAs are de facto government - Ferg MU - 12/16 21:58:17
                                        Oh geeze. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/16 22:42:42
                                        HOAs are voluntary agreements. Government is not. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 22:14:28
                                             Both are voluntary(nm) - tman MU - 12/16 22:44:41
                                             Talking points. HOA changes the rules. Still voluntary? nm. - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:26:51
                                                  Yes...beacuse the rule changes rules - meatiger MU - 12/16 22:32:00
                                                       How is that not voluntary because you can leave? NM - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:32:57
                                                            How easy is it for the average person to leave the US?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 22:39:19
                                                                 Why is it easy for the average Central American to caravan - MUTGR MU - 12/16 23:31:41
                                                                      Red herring.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 23:38:24
                                                                           Haha the dodge. nm. - MUTGR MU - 12/16 23:41:39
                                                                                That's what a red herring is. A dodge. We aren't talking - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 23:43:22
                                                                 Pretty easy actually(nm) - tman MU - 12/16 22:45:14
                                                                      So.. what is the immigration policy of moving to say France? - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 22:49:40
                                                                           Are you asking if other countries have imigration laws - tman MU - 12/16 22:52:51
                                                                                You have no concept of how emigrating to a foreign - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 23:14:33
                                                                                     They are both voluntary and that is the point - tman MU - 12/16 23:18:44
                                                                                          Your argument is so absurd you might as well say go form - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 23:31:36
                                                                                               RE: Your argument is so absurd you might as well say go form - THEGROVE68 MU - 12/17 01:35:17
                                        no they aren’t (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 22:06:57
                                        RE: HOAs are de facto government - MUTGR MU - 12/16 21:59:36
                                             hoa’s are voluntary relationships - pickle MU - 12/16 22:07:41
                                                  You need to get 90Tiger to bail you guys out here cuz you - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:14:23
                                                  No they do not. Just like governments(nm) - tman MU - 12/16 22:09:36
                                                  If you don't follow the HOA's rules they sue you in court. - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:09:19
                                                       You don't have to buy a house with an HOA (nm) - Sal KC - 12/16 22:14:06
                                                            Try harder Sal. nm. - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:18:29
                                                                 Nobody forces you to purchase a house - Sal KC - 12/16 22:20:34
                                                                      Nobody forces you to live here forever. nm. - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:35:42
                                                                      If you are born there, you don't get a choice. - tman MU - 12/16 22:33:30
                                                                           If you were born into an HOA you didn't have a choice either - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:38:18
                                                                      What if the HOA rules change and you don't agree with them? - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:23:13
                                                                 He doesn't have to. When you buy a house with an HOA, you - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 22:19:32
                                                                      what if the rules change, and they frequently do? nm. - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:32:01
                                                                           Maybe you should ask people in the neighborhood those - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 22:46:55
                                                                 have a good night, MUTGR (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 22:19:03
                                                                      You too, Pickle. (nm) - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:24:52
                                                       i just told you what the difference is - pickle MU - 12/16 22:14:01
                                                            RE: i just told you what the difference is - THEGROVE68 MU - 12/17 01:38:57
                                                                 no you don't (nm) - pickle MU - 12/17 09:09:21
                                                                 Not really. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/17 08:41:54
                                                            HOA's enforce their rules by force. What if you, a parent, - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:20:56
                                                                 The child could sell the house and move - Sal KC - 12/16 22:22:23
                                                                      Pickle could sell his house and leave the USA. What's - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:24:05
                                             and I have no problem with that - Ferg MU - 12/16 22:01:41
                                                  RE: and I have no problem with that - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:03:18
                              Government funds pretty much nothing as it generates very - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 21:47:01
                                   Can you provide examples of countries which exist - limenats MU - 12/16 21:53:58
                                        RE: Can you provide examples of countries which exist - THEGROVE68 MU - 12/17 01:44:06
                                        why? (nm) - pickle MU - 12/16 22:08:38
                                             The long answer... - limenats MU - 12/16 22:12:30
                                                  Government is only about seeing through the lenses of - TigerMatt STL - 12/16 22:22:14
                                                       Can you provide examples of countries where that is the - limenats MU - 12/16 22:26:48
                                                  i don’t see how your question is educational - pickle MU - 12/16 22:15:19
                                                       That does not surprise me. - limenats MU - 12/16 22:15:53
                                                            nm - limenats MU - 12/16 22:17:43
                                             He might be curious if your strictly theoretical society has - MUTGR MU - 12/16 22:10:28




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