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No. It would be wrong to deliberately kill an innocent perso

Posted on: March 9, 2018 at 14:13:09 CT
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n even if it would save the lives of others.

For instance, it would be wrong for me to murder an innocent person even if a gunman threatened to murder me and my family if I did not do so... or if he would blow up a building if I did so.

Self-defense is not immoral, however, even if self-defense requires killing an aggressor to defend oneself or others from grievous bodily harm.
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Are you for the Sanctity of Life - Silas MU - 3/9 08:55:05
     RE: Are you for the Sanctity of Life - Alferd Packer MU - 3/9 11:08:27
     Democrats are the neocons today my friend. nm. - MUTGR MU - 3/9 10:00:27
     Sanctity of Human Life is an objective truth. - JeffB MU - 3/9 08:57:14
          ... and for justice.(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 3/9 10:57:28
          That has always seemed a contraction to me - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 09:16:03
               That isn't a contradiction at all - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:10:47
                    Ha ha ha - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 10:15:50
                         There are no conditions... the taking of human life is wrong - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:02:28
                              What funny stories you make up. You utilize the utilitarian - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 13:48:14
                                   No. It would be wrong to deliberately kill an innocent perso - JeffB MU - 3/9 14:13:09
                         Yes, you can clearly protect life by taking it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:20:25
                              BULLSHT (and then you come at me with "moral truths") - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 10:27:51
                                   Who died and made Kant the arbiter of how to - Alferd Packer MU - 3/9 11:34:53
                                        He is just the philosopher who happened to say something - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:37:10
                                             rask gets emotional when he reads something that makes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 11:39:46
                                                  What a tired old line you drag ou - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 13:51:04
                                   It is not over my head - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:30:56
                                        RE: It is not over my head - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 10:33:23
                                             The evidence of certain moral truths held by nearly every - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:35:00
                                                  you just described natural rights - certain moral truths - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 12:28:51
               So what's your own stance, that human life is not sacred, or - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:21:01
                    Getting all particular are you? - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 09:42:46
                         You dodged the question, rask. A lot of words is not the - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:47:52
                              RE: You dodged the question, rask. A lot of words is not the - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 09:56:11
                                   You are still not clearly answering the question, rask. I am - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:04:52
                                        I have been clear about this forever dude - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 10:12:03
                                             So you are a complete pacifist, believing that even if a - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:40:57
                                                  He has actually dropped the f bomb regarding the dead baby - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:42:34
                                                       I haven't been to a good baby killing in years(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 13:33:25
          war and the death penalty are neither self-defense (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 08:58:15
               Often they are not, but they potentially can be. (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:00:51
                    Still contradictory(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 09:43:25
                         How is asserting that it is possible for capital punishment - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:53:36
                              Slow down hoss - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 09:59:57
                                   'Resistance to being slain is encouraged, killing to prevent - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:06:52
                                        Pretty much what I said - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 10:17:31
                    No (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 09:17:49
                         Yet another unfounded, illogical assertion by pickle. - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:35:42
                              you don't understand rights and you never will (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 12:05:17
                                   Your dishonest dodging is duly noted. (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/9 12:37:10
                    the death penalty is never self-defense, Jeff. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:02:01
                         Probably not in 1st world western cultures, but it would be - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:05:26
                              your logic has been described as tortured - pickle MU - 3/9 09:18:52
                                   Whether my example is the best is irrelevant. Do you - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:22:24
                                        the death penalty is murder, Jeff - pickle MU - 3/9 09:25:44
                                             So you cannot put together a rational defense of your - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:34:49
                                                  jeff, you're so lost (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:38:01
                                                       It would seem that you are the one at a loss for an explanat - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:42:58
                                                            you don't know anything about rights - pickle MU - 3/9 09:45:08
                                                                 No. You join 90Tiger in once again substituting insults for - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:49:28
                                                                      What insult, Jeff? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 10:07:38
                                                                      JEff, you don't understand rights. there isn't anything - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:52:47
                                                                           You aren't just making a fool of yourself to me, but are - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:59:55
                                                                                what insults, Jeff? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 10:15:01
                                                                                     Your use of semantics as a dodge is no better than using - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:56:05
                                                                                          what insult, Jeff? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 11:04:00
                                                                                               Forget your meds again, pickle? Did you not read or - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:15:13
                                                                                                    What insult, Jeff? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 11:53:56
                                                                                                         RE: What insult, Jeff? (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:56:03
                                                                                                              copy and paste the insult(s), word for word, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 12:04:33
                                                                                                                   You seem to be having issues here pickle... honesty issues. - JeffB MU - 3/9 12:57:53
                                                                                                                        You've accused 90 and i of insulting you - pickle MU - 3/9 13:28:13
                                                                                                                             No. I already told you what I considered to be insults... as - JeffB MU - 3/9 17:42:00
                                                  no, your fallacy shows your ignorance of rights (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 09:36:51
                                                       Yet again you substitute insults for a rational explanation - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:52:07
                                                            what insult, Jeff? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 09:55:39
                              lol (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:06:24
                                   Well, if you think it's absolutely impossible to ever be - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:08:10
                                        it's never possible for the death penalty to be self-defense - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:09:25
                                             because he doesn't understand rights - pickle MU - 3/9 09:19:31
                                                  Says the guy who thinks mothers have a 'right' to deliberate - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:23:21
                                                       more evidence you don't understand rights (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:31:48
                                                            Your inability to logically defend his position is evidence - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:57:37
                                                       this is an example of your not understanding rights (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 09:26:35
                                                            Says the guy who refuses to explain the blatant contradictio - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:40:11
                                                                 the explanation is right there in the post your linked - pickle MU - 3/9 09:53:58
                                                                      No it's not. It is no more a justification for a 'right' to - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:14:27
                                                                           you don't understand rights - pickle MU - 3/9 10:16:05
                                                                                Even if that were all true, you are still demonstrating your - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:21:54
                                                                                     use the search feature, Jeff - pickle MU - 3/9 12:03:57
                                                                                          No, pickle, the burden of proof is on you to explain the - JeffB MU - 3/9 13:08:24
                                                                                               LMFAO (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 13:29:49
                                                                                                    More dishonest dancing and dodging from pickle. (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/9 17:44:18




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