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'one of the cloudiest issues for me with pickle's position'
Posted on: January 5, 2018 at 10:16:39 CT
JeffB MU
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but it wouldn't be a Wichita govt police force.
So far so good.
I suspect the private security would be involved.
Now we're into a really problematic area. If the use of force by governments elected by the citizens is horrible and a main reason for getting rid of the state, then the problem of 'private security' forces wielding force to bring about the will of those paying their salaries is a 'cure' worse than the original disease.
Maybe there's a reciprocal agreement between their voluntary systems?
Again a massive problem to which no one has given a reasonable solution. If all governments are voluntary, what if the swatters &/or policeman shooter (who might well have been a member of a private security force) had never agreed to submit to any voluntary government or whatever other "voluntary systems" that might be out there in an anarchistic free market? It seems highly improbably that if they never agreed to submit to whatever voluntary system before they got people really ticked off at them that they would subsequently voluntarily agree to such a voluntary system that could impose severe penalties upon them.
Dealing with issues between parties who don't share an agreement is one of the cloudiest issues for me with pickle's position.
I have never seen a legitimate, workable response to the above mentioned problems by anarchists the borderline anarchists who jump to pickle's defense when he runs and hides from questions such as these. If that cannot be resolved then the whole system is as bad or worse than the current system.
So far so good.
I suspect the private security would be involved.
Now we're into a really problematic area. If the use of force by governments elected by the citizens is horrible and a main reason for getting rid of the state, then the problem of 'private security' forces wielding force to bring about the will of those paying their salaries is a 'cure' worse than the original disease.
Maybe there's a reciprocal agreement between their voluntary systems?
Again a massive problem to which no one has given a reasonable solution. If all governments are voluntary, what if the swatters &/or policeman shooter (who might well have been a member of a private security force) had never agreed to submit to any voluntary government or whatever other "voluntary systems" that might be out there in an anarchistic free market? It seems highly improbably that if they never agreed to submit to whatever voluntary system before they got people really ticked off at them that they would subsequently voluntarily agree to such a voluntary system that could impose severe penalties upon them.
Dealing with issues between parties who don't share an agreement is one of the cloudiest issues for me with pickle's position.
I have never seen a legitimate, workable response to the above mentioned problems by anarchists the borderline anarchists who jump to pickle's defense when he runs and hides from questions such as these. If that cannot be resolved then the whole system is as bad or worse than the current system.
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'one of the cloudiest issues for me with pickle's position' - JeffB MU - 1/5 10:16:39