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Posted on: December 13, 2017 at 14:47:18 CT
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1) Nearly everyone who takes the standard deduction gets a tax cut in 2018

2) Families with children generally get a bigger tax cut

3) People who pay a lot in state and local taxes could see big tax increases

The tax analysis is confined exclusively to middle-class households, defined as households that earn two-thirds to two times household-size adjusted median income. That’s roughly $40,000 to $125,000 for a family of four, or about $30,000 to $90,000 for a couple. For singles, the middle class starts at about $20,000, although to make the charts more readable, we aren’t showing households earning less than $40,000. (We’re using what tax analysts call “expanded income,” which includes cash income but also noncash items such as employer contributions to health insurance and the employer share of payroll taxes.)

To figure out how the Senate bill would affect households, we worked with the Open Source Policy Center — a Washington research organization affiliated with the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute — to model the proposal using the center’s TaxBrain program. Special thanks to Ernie Tedeschi, an economist and occasional Upshot contributor, for his thoughts on modeling the impact of the corporate tax cuts.

The data we’re using comes from the Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey, which asks tens of thousands of Americans detailed questions about their household finances every year. Although these records are not as accurate as the administrative I.R.S. tax records that some think tanks like the Tax Policy Center use (particularly regarding the wealthiest Americans), they line up reasonably closely. The Open Source Policy Center adjusted the data to align with I.R.S. definitions of income; the center also ran parts of our analysis using data from the I.R.S. to ensure that the findings held up.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/28/upshot/what-the-tax-bill-would-look-like-for-25000-middle-class-families.html
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Tax reform coming next week - alzoo MU - 12/13 13:42:25
     Starving the beast is mostly what this is about - raskolnikov MU - 12/13 16:04:21
          you say that - Ferg STL - 12/13 16:12:53
     With my heli-pad on the fritz I could sure use the break(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/13 16:03:06
          fix it now, the costs won't be deductable next year(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 12/13 16:07:49
     And convert to a Roth.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/13 15:13:08
          why? (nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 12/13 16:00:03
     RE: Tax reform coming next week - patriot MU - 12/13 14:25:03
          What happens when the businesses don't hire more - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:27:50
               RE: What happens when the businesses don't hire more - MOCO SON MU - 12/13 15:02:53
                    I've said several times I expect him to serve four years. - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 15:11:21
               You rival rask in ignorance (nm) - pickle MU - 12/13 14:57:30
                    And your platitudes are hackneyed as hell. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 15:12:19
                         I don't think that word means what you think it means (nm) - pickle MU - 12/13 15:36:41
                         it's no platitude, it's an accurate statement. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 15:24:42
                              I mean about his and your philosophy - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 15:26:09
                                   one can be intelligent and ignorant or simple-minded - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 15:41:50
                                   I didn't say anything about your intelligence - pickle MU - 12/13 15:40:38
                                   what philosophy is that which pickle and I share? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 15:37:39
               Actually it’s up to the shareholders - Ferg STL - 12/13 14:43:57
               "the market". What market? (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/13 14:39:42
                    I was asking a question regarding Patriot's post above(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:40:20
                         Yeah, but you answered like you know. - ummmm MU - 12/13 14:54:27
               RE: What happens when the businesses don't hire more - patriot MU - 12/13 14:31:34
                    How does that help the average worker? (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:32:10
                         RE: How does that help the average worker? (nm) - patriot MU - 12/13 14:34:12
                              But in general - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:42:43
     Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren don’t like it - Ferg STL - 12/13 14:11:43
          Lez Warren* nm - Civil-E-Tiger MU - 12/13 14:25:46
          Many middle class families will pay more - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:12:15
               So they don't want to pay their fair share? (nm) - Lerxst MU - 12/13 17:38:09
               define the middle class, then tell me how much more - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 14:30:31
                    Define it on your own - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:31:29
                         wait - if that's real, how does this plan "cost" the US govt - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 14:34:14
                              Look at the top end - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:35:29
                                   CAn you share the graph of how much those groups - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 14:40:29
                                        RE: CAn you share the graph of how much those groups - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:47:12
                                             thanks (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 14:53:52
                         why on Earth should i accept that graph as the - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 14:32:41
               No they won't. - Spanky KU - 12/13 14:17:16
                    Please... - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:26:54
                         How about an actual link - Spanky KU - 12/13 14:31:01
                              RE: How about an actual link - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:31:42
                                   A better analysis from NYT - Spanky KU - 12/13 14:47:18
                                        but a color chart is so much more convincing! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 15:12:00
               Only if they live in a high tax state - Ferg STL - 12/13 14:14:25
                    ^^ supports more federal control. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/13 14:24:30
                         ^^^ Supports high state taxes. - Ferg STL - 12/13 14:40:52
                              You know full well that I support no taxation. - ummmm MU - 12/13 14:55:01
                    Incorrect (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:14:57
                         Unless you have a mortgage larger than $500K - Spanky KU - 12/13 14:30:07
               All, not many. ALL.(nm) - TheShoe STL - 12/13 14:14:25
                    After 10 years, yes (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:15:11
                         Dems will have ten years to make it - Ferg STL - 12/13 14:18:45
                              And they may, but it will likely need to include - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:39:12
                                   or cut run away spending on - Ferg STL - 12/13 14:46:55
                                        Cutting spending in areas that doesn't impact - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 14:48:33
                                             lol, why not both? what gives you the right to take everyon - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 15:20:01
                                                  I'm not taking anyone's money. But people who have paid - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 15:23:21
                                                       tell it to your beloved govt officials. I'm paying now - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 15:26:38
                                                            And you will get social security and medicare - MrBlueSky MU - 12/13 15:29:54
                                                                 1. the govt has been taking my money for 35 years - 90Tiger MU - 12/13 15:40:30
     LOL. - Evenflow MU - 12/13 14:01:45
     There won't be any tax "reform" - pickle MU - 12/13 14:01:21




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