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The accused is a victim

Posted on: October 16, 2017 at 15:03:09 CT
pickle MU
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The system doesn't suddenly become legitimate or justifiable even if the accused did commit a crime (and by crime, I mean that action for which someone was victimized/infringed upon)

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An open message to those who believe themselves to be - pickle MU - 10/16 12:55:02
     ^^^ wants people to be homeless hobos^^^ - Tigrrrr! MU - 10/16 16:01:42
     Give me $1million and I will quit for 7 years(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 10/16 15:37:13
     lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 10/16 13:58:34
     RE: An open message to those who believe themselves to be - catbirdseat MU - 10/16 13:47:54
     Repudiate BABY!!! - tigerdb MU - 10/16 13:43:43
          I wouldn't be calling anyone stupid, if I were you. - ummmm MU - 10/16 13:48:59
          Will you be answering ummmm's questions today? - pickle MU - 10/16 13:47:11
               What can you do about it if he doesn't? (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 10/16 14:51:50
     Limited government is not the same as no government. - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/16 13:41:53
          I discuss the limiting of government powers without the - ummmm MU - 10/16 13:51:01
               And while we disagree I can respect the stances you usually - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/16 13:54:49
                    Which of my ideas go too far and would do more harm than - ummmm MU - 10/16 15:27:06
          I didn't say anything about anarchy / no government (nm) - pickle MU - 10/16 13:48:30
          Um, don't build so many million dollar bombs to blow up - catbirdseat MU - 10/16 13:47:29
          He has trouble with English - Spanky KU - 10/16 13:46:55
     Kooktard - Ferg STL - 10/16 13:41:05
     Last couple times I've been called for jury duty and - TigerMatt STL - 10/16 13:36:44
          Yep. Can't let them on. Tell them what they want to hear - pickle MU - 10/16 13:41:01
               Once again you side with the criminal. - GODZILLA MU - 10/16 14:39:13
                    I don't side with criminals - pickle MU - 10/16 14:46:53
                         Yes you are. You are pushing for an - GODZILLA MU - 10/16 14:51:03
                              The accused is a victim - pickle MU - 10/16 15:03:09
                                   Jesus Christ you are - GODZILLA MU - 10/16 15:07:34
                                        It doesn't look like today will be the day - pickle MU - 10/16 15:09:52
                                             I know we are all idiots here because we wont - GODZILLA MU - 10/16 15:14:53
                                                  You don't participate in any discussion - pickle MU - 10/16 15:22:53
               It is a gamble. If you raise your hand, the prosecutor - TigerMatt STL - 10/16 13:56:04
               Because the best way to bring about positive change is - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/16 13:44:13
                    The best way is education (nm) - pickle MU - 10/16 15:10:29
                    He argues with the voices in his head(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 10/16 14:53:45
                    Well, you can't have them locked in a cage. - Tigrrrr! MU - 10/16 13:47:22
               so lie? Isnt that immoral?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 13:43:32
                    Given the State and its laws are illegitimate - pickle MU - 10/16 13:46:23
                         so dishonesty is ok when there is a cause?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 13:47:41
                              No, that's not what I said - pickle MU - 10/16 13:50:04
                                   My lord you can't help yourself (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 10/16 14:57:20
                                   That's where you always lose me when you equate like - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 13:52:28
                                        I asked if lying to a rapist or thief is immoral/dishonest - pickle MU - 10/16 13:56:17
                                             Your premise is flawed. You are equating the two/(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 13:58:20
                                                  Straight up: is lying to a rapist or thief immoral? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/16 13:59:37
                                                       Of course it isnt if it prevents you from being raped - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 14:01:28
                                                            I'm glad you say it isn't. - pickle MU - 10/16 14:03:17
                                                                 You will now just say everything is illegitimate. I know - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 14:06:20
                                                                      Why won't you answer questions? - pickle MU - 10/16 14:10:55
                                                                           why wont you call your new system government when it - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 14:15:01
                                                                                Because it isn't government. Law, court, etc., - pickle MU - 10/16 14:20:34
                                                                                     Yes it is. You just refuse to call it that because it - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 14:22:34
                                                                                          no, hef, it isn't. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 10/16 16:14:26
                                                                                          It isn't - pickle MU - 10/16 14:40:04
                    They ask the whole group that question to raise - TigerMatt STL - 10/16 13:46:07
                         How is that not lying?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 13:47:07
                              Choosing not to respond to a question asked to a - TigerMatt STL - 10/16 13:49:07
                                   raising your hand in the affirmative when you actually - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 13:50:13
                                        There is nothing immoral about it - pickle MU - 10/16 13:58:40
                                             what if the person is accused of raping and torturing - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 14:07:52
                                                  I would say the State did not meet its burden of proof (nm) - pickle MU - 10/16 14:12:05
                                                       regardless of the evidence presented. Sorry kid, you have to - hefeweizen MU - 10/16 14:16:16
                                        Again, not how they ask it. They ask you to raise your hand - TigerMatt STL - 10/16 13:52:04
     Don't tell me what to do, chump(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 10/16 13:31:46
     Does your jury duty recommendation depend on the - MIZ45 MU - 10/16 13:28:20
          Not the circumstances you mean, no (nm) - pickle MU - 10/16 13:31:17
               What circumstances do you think I mean? - MIZ45 MU - 10/16 13:52:12
                    It might be easier for me to say what I mean - pickle MU - 10/16 14:09:15
                         Thank you for clarifying, but you sound like a nut job - MIZ45 MU - 10/16 14:12:49
                              I couldn't care less about that (nm) - pickle MU - 10/16 14:18:26
                                   How telling - MIZ45 MU - 10/16 14:23:49
     You are a fool (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 10/16 13:07:28
     So not voting - meatiger MU - 10/16 13:05:42
          I choose to vote myself. Straight Libertarian Party. - TigerMatt STL - 10/16 13:42:42
          Read it carefully. It's part of it - pickle MU - 10/16 13:10:43
               The beast isn't all that would starve. An insane solution - GA Tiger MU - 10/16 13:16:59
               I don't think not voting will starve this beast. - ummmm MU - 10/16 13:13:06
                    I agree - pickle MU - 10/16 13:15:59
               This is borderline - meatiger MU - 10/16 13:13:04
                    What is? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/16 14:54:47
                    "Acquit regardless" - MIZ45 MU - 10/16 14:07:10
          I agree with you here, meat. - ummmm MU - 10/16 13:10:31
               Of course, but it is an act of non-participation - pickle MU - 10/16 13:12:55
                    50% choose of those even registered - meatiger MU - 10/16 13:14:52
                         Well I don't just mean federal elections - pickle MU - 10/16 13:25:34
                              voter turnout - meatiger MU - 10/16 13:26:58
                                   "locally...many spending decisions are made through voting" - pickle MU - 10/16 13:33:13
                    Yes, that is true. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/16 13:13:39
     How about you worry about yourself - MUGuy2004 STL - 10/16 12:57:41
          This is a discussion board - pickle MU - 10/16 13:02:33
               Yes, and you discuss everyone else (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 10/16 13:04:18
                    ... 's ideas (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/16 13:05:01
                         he doesn't stop with that - FootballRefugee MU - 10/16 13:12:02
                              In this thread - pickle MU - 10/16 13:13:58
                                   your desire to limit the conversation - FootballRefugee MU - 10/16 13:27:36
                                        you're childish and wrong - 90Tiger MU - 10/16 16:13:55
                                   Your crap gets old and you've changed nobody's - MUGuy2004 STL - 10/16 13:20:04
                                        changed mine, so speak for yourself (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 10/16 16:16:07
                                        That's not true (nm) - pickle MU - 10/16 13:33:35
                                        That's not true. - ummmm MU - 10/16 13:23:19
                                             Well, you're a nobody then* - MUGuy2004 STL - 10/16 13:25:10
                                                  This is not an example of participating in discussion (nm) - pickle MU - 10/16 13:34:13
                                                       you are incapable of such judgment - FootballRefugee MU - 10/16 14:40:16
                                                  Good one (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/16 13:27:32
          well, that would require facing up to a lot - FootballRefugee MU - 10/16 13:02:26
               He's a very unhappy person who cannot change his - MUGuy2004 STL - 10/16 13:04:56




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