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Here's my problem with it, very recently.

Posted on: April 25, 2017 at 15:26:14 CT
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The number of innocent killed with it is undoubtedly FAR higher than is suspected and certainly far higher than almost anyone wants.

One reason I say that is a recent article I saw saying that in a recent 30 yr period of the death sentences given, 117 were found innocent, and they felt nearly 3 times that number might be innocent but couldn't be proven.

Regardless, and because I'm a little skeptical of justice anyway, I am more against it than for it. I'm aware of so many reasons the innocent are convicted, to include a lot of innate human psychological frailty.

A good article on subject:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/04/justice/prisoner-exonerations-facts-innocence-project/
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Thought re: cap punishment in AR and elsewhere - raskolnikov MU - 4/25 15:13:39
     Cruel and unusual punishment? - mizzouSECedes STL - 4/25 17:08:08
          Sorry for having the law get in your way - raskolnikov MU - 4/25 17:23:34
     kill, kill, kill, kill the poor - catbirdseat MU - 4/25 15:32:48
          Folks stacked in the streets, Catbird. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 4/25 15:36:40
               Bread - catbirdseat MU - 4/25 15:43:35
     You're being facetious, right? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/25 15:22:55
          Not at all(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 4/25 16:37:23
     Makes sense to me.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 4/25 15:17:59
     Capital punishment is murder at the hands of the state. It - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:15:54
          No! The innocent and the guilty are not on equal footing - brief candle MU - 4/25 19:00:50
          Agreed - and I am wholly opposed to it, But when it comes to - raskolnikov MU - 4/25 16:38:53
          What do you consider to be appropriate punishment - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 15:30:16
               Question above pay grade of anyone here(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 4/25 17:24:30
               I say we put it them in a volcano and nuke them. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/25 15:33:40
                    ROTFLMAO! - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 15:35:01
                         ðŸŽ£ Let's see what's biting. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/25 15:36:48
                              Clear!(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 15:38:45
               Life in prison without the possibility of parole - MrBlueSky MU - 4/25 15:30:45
                    No, I prefer rehab as man IS redeemable(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 4/25 16:39:30
                         LOL. Stereotypical dumb lib. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/25 16:40:53
                              Man is NOT redeemable in your mind then?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 4/25 17:25:17
                    yeah, that's "moral" - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:36:55
                         way more moral than the state murdering them(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:38:36
                              why do you keep using "the state" when below you - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:45:02
                                   I never said anything about a private court. Stop making - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:49:10
                                        re-read your response to this post and what do you - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:52:51
                                             It is murder(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:59:36
                                                  Only to you but not to the world.(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 16:04:33
                                                       To anyone with morals and able to think for himself - pickle MU - 4/25 16:33:47
                                                       Not only to me. Not even close to only me(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 16:05:20
                                                            Of course there are others who misuse the word, murder - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 16:12:15
                                                                 says you. I think it is murder. Im prolife(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 16:27:17
                              Words have meanings... like "murder." - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 15:44:57
                                   It's murder. But to assuage your loophole, can we agree - ummmm MU - 4/25 15:49:39
                                        No. Your weasel term is still inconsistent with the real - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 15:58:27
                                             You're the one that is deferring your morality to the "law" - ummmm MU - 4/25 16:00:30
                                                  No. I just stated the true definition, not the opinion - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 16:09:23
                                                       You did not post the "true definition". You simply linked - ummmm MU - 4/25 16:16:03
                                        if a private court rendered the judgment of death, it is no - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:54:30
                                             When it comes to my own personal position, I don't use the - ummmm MU - 4/25 15:59:51
                                   he's channeling his inner pickle here by using emotive - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:46:09
                                        It is murder(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:49:45
                                             what's your definition of murder then, hef? you get - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:53:33
                                                  His definition is irrelevant anyway. - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 16:02:58
                                                  murder is intentionally killing another not in self defense - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 16:02:08
                                                       It is about as pre-meditated as it comes - ummmm MU - 4/25 16:20:05
                                                            yep(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 16:27:35
                    So, a life of public (taxpayer) supported food and shelter. - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 15:33:48
                         Are you suggesting private courts and restitution based - ummmm MU - 4/25 15:35:40
                              No. - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 15:37:41
                                   RE: No. - ummmm MU - 4/25 15:38:59
                                        you think "pay for" means $$, methinks (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:39:28
                                             He has a limited understanding of common language.(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 15:40:25
                                                  You asked why the public should pay for someone - ummmm MU - 4/25 15:44:57
                                                       Hello??? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/25 16:01:03
                                                  no, he has a vast understanding of both common and - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:41:31
                                             What? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/25 15:40:24
                              restitution? what kind of restitution is appropriate for - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:37:32
                                   I have no idea how to value that in money or years. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/25 15:39:36
                                        you know why? you can't. No one can. It's not possible. - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:41:05
                                             I agree. It's another reason why I do not like - ummmm MU - 4/25 15:44:11
                                                  fair enough - especially the first point. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:47:00
                         Oh, it's a money issue with you and not a moral one? You - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:35:23
                              you think putting someone in confinement for life is - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:38:28
                                   "Many would opt to die rather than have that life." - MrBlueSky MU - 4/25 15:39:19
                                   no but state sponsored murder sure as **** isnt(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:39:14
                                        ok, so private courts with a death sentence is more moral - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:40:11
                                             you are really bad at putting words into people's mouths. I - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:42:01
                                                  I was asking you to discern by offering my presumption of - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:43:35
                                                       I never said it was. It is better than murder IMO(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:45:00
                                                            it isn't "murder", hef. It's lawful, unless you're going fu - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:51:12
                                                                 It is murder. Im sorry that troubles you. It should(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:59:14
                                                                      i'm against the death penalty, btw, but you're horrible - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 22:15:30
                              False analogy. - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 15:36:54
                                   Reino makes a good point - MrBlueSky MU - 4/25 15:38:15
                                        It's a stupid, false analogy. - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 15:52:40
                                        it's silly, it assumes life in prison is some kind of moral - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:39:01
                                             It's not a morality issue for me. It's what is the worst - MrBlueSky MU - 4/25 15:40:28
                                                  That would depend on the person convicted. - Alferd Packer MU - 4/25 15:57:13
                                                  I agree (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:41:54
                                                       That's a first. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 4/25 15:43:36
                                             only for the simple minded. It is better than murder(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:39:46
                                                  what's better than murder? Lifetime kidnapping and pyscholog - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:42:34
                                                       lol, murder is never right. ever. Incarceration is - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:46:04
                                                            why is incarceration morally right and putting someone to - 90Tiger MU - 4/25 15:55:11
                                                                 It may not be but alive is better than being murdered(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 16:04:50
                                   The money issue is just your ilk being dishonest about your - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:37:55
                    I find that cruel and unusual. Anything else? - Emoji Man MSU - 4/25 15:32:26
                    ^^^this(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/25 15:32:05
          Here's my problem with it, very recently. - GA Tiger MU - 4/25 15:26:14




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