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More like alternative facts. amirite?

Posted on: January 25, 2017 at 15:42:30 CT
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Dr. Allen Keller, the director of the Bellevue Hospital/New York University Program for Survivors of Torture, has treated "a number of people" who had been subjected to forms of near-asphyxiation, including waterboarding. In an interview for The New Yorker, he argued that "it was indeed torture. 'Some victims were still traumatized years later', he said. One patient couldn't take showers, and panicked when it rained. 'The fear of being killed is a terrifying experience', he said".[2] Keller also gave a full description in 2007 in testimony before the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on the practice:[43]
The CIA's Office of Medical Services noted in a 2003 memo that "for reasons of physical fatigue or psychological resignation, the subject may simply give up, allowing excessive filling of the airways and loss of consciousness".[44]
In an open letter in 2007 to U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Human Rights Watch asserted that waterboarding can cause the sort of "severe pain" prohibited by 18 USC 2340 (the implementation in the United States of the United Nations Convention Against Torture), that the psychological effects can last long after waterboarding ends (another of the criteria under 18 USC 2340), and that uninterrupted waterboarding can ultimately cause death.[1]
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So much for moral highground - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/25 15:17:59
     Did Trump run on moral high ground?(nm) - tiger98 MU - 1/25 17:12:48
     anyone criticizing ever been waterboarded?(nm) - o'lineydisciple MU - 1/25 16:20:22
          RE: anyone criticizing ever been waterboarded?(nm) - "Wild Bill" Donovan MU - 1/25 17:10:34
          I've never been shot and killed - pickle MU - 1/25 16:48:09
               I suspect you've never done much of anything. - Emoji Man MSU - 1/25 16:58:37
     Isn't keeping someone confined to a small space torture no - Emoji Man MSU - 1/25 16:14:56
     We should be cutting off fingers and toes. - Emoji Man MSU - 1/25 15:42:53
          Lounge chair soldier - McKinneyTiger MU - 1/25 16:32:46
               Oh how I wish I had your wisdom and gravitas. - Emoji Man MSU - 1/25 17:46:23
          Yea, our troops will appreciate that approach - catbirdseat MU - 1/25 15:52:43
               Oh ok. So if we're nice to them they'll be nice to us? Ha Ha - Emoji Man MSU - 1/25 16:06:53
               They get beheaded already. We are fighting by a different - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:55:22
          What's stopping you from enlisting? - pickle MU - 1/25 15:51:35
               Surely you don't have an issue with sitting on the couch and - Emoji Man MSU - 1/25 16:04:17
                    Even if that were true, no it wouldn't be - pickle MU - 1/25 16:07:20
                         The long flight for one. Sounds like an ass whippin' - Emoji Man MSU - 1/25 16:09:18
                              Figured (nm) - pickle MU - 1/25 16:41:31
                         Barabaric Muslims wouldn't cut off fingers and toes??!?! (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 16:08:01
                              Sarcasm and the point are lost on you (nm) - pickle MU - 1/25 16:41:16
               Probably the exact same thing that is keeping - GODZILLA MU - 1/25 16:01:54
                    What beliefs are those? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/25 16:05:54
     He is right. Bring it back. (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:29:06
          Good lord, no. That's pure evil (nm) - pickle MU - 1/25 15:41:49
               in the Godless world of evolution and naturalism there is - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 1/25 16:00:12
               Do you think Napoleon cared about it? Stop being a pussy. - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:44:25
                    such a tough guy - McKinneyTiger MU - 1/25 16:34:54
                         There shouldn't be a fight. No one in the middle east - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 16:40:10
                              Stop supporting torture (nm) - pickle MU - 1/25 16:41:59
                    Having morals and recognizing evil and evil acts - pickle MU - 1/25 15:46:06
                         It is what separates us from - catbirdseat MU - 1/25 15:53:39
                              Then I suggest you get some (nm) - pickle MU - 1/25 16:00:17
                         You have to fight to win or not fight at all. We don't - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:47:15
                              You're the one saying bring it back - pickle MU - 1/25 15:49:14
                                   Fight to win with no mercy or don't fight at all. My message - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:50:34
                                        So you're the pussy - pickle MU - 1/25 15:52:30
                                             I am not torturing anyone. If we get in a scuffle I can - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:53:55
                                                  RE: I am not torturing anyone. If we get in a scuffle I can - sarasotatiger MU - 1/25 16:18:24
                                                  Right, you're a pussy. - pickle MU - 1/25 15:59:49
                                                       Sure they were. If Hitler takes over Europe do you think - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 16:02:18
                                                            Europe isn't the US. And you said defending America - pickle MU - 1/25 16:09:29
                                                                 I am well aware of what caused world war II but that isn't - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 16:10:54
                                                                      It is relevant, as is FDR's desiring war - pickle MU - 1/25 16:22:51
          Wanna setup a waterboard session? - Role Call MU - 1/25 15:36:31
               Why do I need to be waterboarded? I am not an enemy to the - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:36:57
                    If you favor torture- yeah you are - JG MU - 1/25 15:38:26
                         No sir (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:40:58
                              Yes- - JG MU - 1/25 15:42:07
          Two questions - playhard NWMSU - 1/25 15:32:09
               I consider it torture. I think that you get good intel from - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:36:39
                    where do you draw the line? Is any torture, no matter - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/25 15:50:21
                    You don't get good intel from torture. - DC Jayhawk KU - 1/25 15:44:45
                    Wow (nm) - pickle MU - 1/25 15:42:27
                    Yes your thinking is the problem - JG MU - 1/25 15:40:40
                         I think we should fight to win or get out of the fight - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:42:10
                              Do you condone other countries doing this to the US? - Role Call MU - 1/25 15:44:18
                                   No i don't condone it but it happens anyway. Our guys get - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:44:51
                              Stop fighting less than worthless wars? hmmmmm let - JG MU - 1/25 15:43:20
                              So go fight. What's stopping you? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/25 15:42:55
                                   My preference is for peace. The government's preference - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:43:43
                                        You just said "we" - pickle MU - 1/25 15:47:30
                                             Well, I am an American by birth so I believe I can say we. - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:48:23
                                                  So go be "we" and fight. What's stopping you? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/25 15:49:58
                                                       Because WE don't fight to win. I am not going to fight - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:51:15
                                                            You agree with it enough to advocate torture - pickle MU - 1/25 15:53:24
                    International Conventions define torture very clearly. We - catbirdseat MU - 1/25 15:38:56
                    I suspect that you'd get a lot of false info that you'd end - playhard NWMSU - 1/25 15:38:50
          Doubtful it ever went away - JG MU - 1/25 15:32:03
     waterboarding is not torture - Spanky KU - 1/25 15:19:37
          waterboarding is torture (nm) - pickle MU - 1/25 15:43:26
          I can arrange for your personal demonstration and - Mo Texan MU - 1/25 15:27:10
               Will this be a fake demonstration? Like your service? - Emoji Man MSU - 1/25 15:40:49
               I was shot and killed trying to defend a small boy(nm) - Harambe MU - 1/25 15:30:52
               I have endured much worse than waterboarding in the military - Spanky KU - 1/25 15:29:25
                    examples please.(nm) - Role Call MU - 1/25 15:30:04
                         Toro's trash cans? - JG MU - 1/25 15:32:44
                         Ranger School, Jungle Warfare School - Spanky KU - 1/25 15:31:49
                              Jungle Warfare School - "Wild Bill" Donovan MU - 1/25 17:27:00
                              Did you volunteer for those schools, or were you forced? - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/25 15:53:13
                              First of all, yes you could describe it. - Role Call MU - 1/25 15:35:11
                                   It does not cause severe physical or mental pain - Spanky KU - 1/25 15:36:18
                                        It certainly causes severe mental pain. - Role Call MU - 1/25 15:38:06
                                             facts.... - Spanky KU - 1/25 15:39:04
                                                  More like alternative facts. amirite? - Role Call MU - 1/25 15:42:30
                                                       Yes..you use alternative facts - Spanky KU - 1/25 16:07:48
                                                  LOL stupid - JG MU - 1/25 15:41:44
                                        Since your mind is so severely damaged as is - JG MU - 1/25 15:37:57
                              Jungle warfare? - JG MU - 1/25 15:33:16
                                   You wouldn't have lasted the 1st day - Spanky KU - 1/25 15:33:54
                                        You sir - catbirdseat MU - 1/25 15:36:22
                                        So, how long were you a POW?(nm) - Role Call MU - 1/25 15:35:33
                                        How would you know? You wannabe Rambo's crack me - playhard NWMSU - 1/25 15:35:31
                                             I wasn't a wannabe anything. - Spanky KU - 1/25 15:41:15
                                                  Sure you were not a Marine? - playhard NWMSU - 1/25 15:44:12
                                                       No..I passed the IQ test and they wouldn't let me in - Spanky KU - 1/25 15:46:45
                                        LOL - JG MU - 1/25 15:35:29
          If you understood the definition of it you post - JG MU - 1/25 15:27:07
          how is it not torture? - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/25 15:23:57
               Becau se of the definition of torture - Spanky KU - 1/25 15:28:29
                    feeling like you are being drowned doesn't cause - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/25 15:29:18
                         yes he is - JG MU - 1/25 15:29:50
                         Yep.. I am serious. - Spanky KU - 1/25 15:29:49
                              I know :( - JG MU - 1/25 15:30:10
                    Yes that is the one that - JG MU - 1/25 15:29:13
               some authority figure told him it wasn't(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 1/25 15:28:13
               Doesn't hurt - Emoji Man MSU - 1/25 15:27:30
          Yea, tell that - catbirdseat MU - 1/25 15:21:10
               John couldn't kick my butt in his prime... - Spanky KU - 1/25 15:30:35
               Lol, I would beat the **** out of that old ****er (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 1/25 15:28:39
                    In less than a minute you would be screaming - JG MU - 1/25 15:31:02




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