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So God's account of how He has and will deal with the nation

Posted on: December 27, 2016 at 11:49:24 CT
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of Israel, in Romans Chapters 9-11 is a lie? Because it is undeniable that God is speaking of restoring Israel as a nation. And Paul has said he wanted to be condemned so that Israel could be saved. The church can never be condemned, so Paul, and God through Paul in the passage, is referring to Israel the nation, not the church.

I say then, has God cast away His people(Israel)? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob
(the church is never called Jacob);
For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all."


And this doesn't even go into the 70 weeks of Daniel, which are entirely about the nation of Israel, and have yet to be completed.




Edited by MizzouTigerz at 12:07:53 on 12/27/16
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Good to see Soetoro showing his true colors re: Israel - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/27 09:29:30
     Fck Israel. Wanting too much they pushed too far(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:28:08
          Israel. The apple of God's eye. The people He calls His own. - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/27 10:57:43
               Let me know when you're able to discuss reality (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 11:30:10
          Figured that you and our other resident Jihad cheerleader - Fourth and Long MU - 12/27 10:34:41
               Israel practices collective punishment - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:36:17
                    Israel is a sovereign nation and has every right to defend - Fourth and Long MU - 12/27 10:44:47
                         No it doesn't - pickle MU - 12/27 10:49:07
                         Not with collective punishment, it does not - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:46:25
                    no they simply remove threats - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/27 10:38:34
                         Wrong - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:42:26
          Yeah, any country that was attacked by its neighbors - GA Tiger MU - 12/27 10:31:31
               You're 100% uninformed (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 11:32:31
               Poor babies - "religious fanatics who hate them" LMAO - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:34:48
          fck you Sufi, Trump is going to just void Soetoro's - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/27 10:29:47
               Go to town !! - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:31:35
          Pushed too far - that is cute - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 10:29:20
               They were cut a deal twice - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:30:44
                    You clearly do not understand the nature of a covenant - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/27 11:08:04
                    And arafat was offered a separate palestine and he - GA Tiger MU - 12/27 10:35:17
                         People tend to forget what Barak offered - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 10:37:54
                              YOU don't know that facts - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:39:50
                                   you're an idiot sufi, they will never get a deal that sweet - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/27 10:44:35
                                        You are uninformed - I get it. (nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:51:21
                         That deal was a POS, Arafat was wrong to turn it down(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:36:53
                    This is not a religous issue - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 10:34:00
                         This is a purely God issue, which He Himself will personally - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/27 11:11:15
                              The Israel of Scripture is God's Church on earth - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 11:16:49
                                   Nope. - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/27 11:18:06
                                        You may believe what you wish - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 11:22:12
                                             I'm guessing you are unfamiliar with the restoration of the - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/27 11:25:09
                                                  I am very familar with it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 11:33:28
                                                       So God's account of how He has and will deal with the nation - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/27 11:49:24
                                                            It is all most clear when you see Israel as God's Church on - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 11:58:59
                                                                 The root of Jesse. That is a reference to physical lineage. - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/27 12:03:13
                                                                      It is clear throughout Scripture - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 12:20:15
                                                                           No. There are very specific words in Romans 11 that clearly - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/27 12:55:47
                                                                                The Church is not lost - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 14:56:17
                                                                                     None of that has anything to do with what is discussed in - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/27 16:21:01
                         WTF are you talking about? You think Donnie is going to - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:38:59
                              Any time you fight the enemy - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 10:40:21
                                   Wow - so in your mind then, let me see if I get this straigh - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:45:26
                                        Torture is wrong - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 11:00:29
     Sadly, anti-semitic mullet is probably cheering this (nm) - Fourth and Long MU - 12/27 10:20:56
          sadly, you're a lying wretch - JG A - 12/27 10:46:44
     Are you an Israeli? (nm) - pickle MU - 12/27 10:08:57
          There have been Israelites in history. (nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:29:08
          no such thing - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 12/27 10:18:35
               1. I wasn't talking about citizenship - pickle MU - 12/27 10:50:32
               I like what you did there(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/27 10:19:34
     Yup. Sick of the political lies from this administration - hokie VT - 12/27 09:53:48
          RE: Yup. Sick of the political lies from this administration - sarasotatiger MU - 12/27 10:16:07
               Do you believe as our president has said that, - hokie VT - 12/27 10:20:26
     RE: Good to see Soetoro showing his true colors re: Israel - sarasotatiger MU - 12/27 09:45:40
          Educate yourself Sara - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/27 09:53:40
               RE: Educate yourself Sara - sarasotatiger MU - 12/27 10:13:28
          figured the JGNazis would be cheering - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 12/27 09:49:55
               Knew you would lie, its all you do - JG A - 12/27 10:47:10
               at least JG never masks his anti-semitism(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 12/27 09:56:32
                    LOL show one antisemetic post from me , liar - JG A - 12/27 10:47:51
          it wasn't backbone - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 12/27 09:40:30
               Touche'. And isn't it interesting that the libs don't know - hokie VT - 12/27 09:55:13
                    RE: Touche'. And isn't it interesting that the libs don't know - sarasotatiger MU - 12/27 10:19:07
                         Nuh, uh. I'va admitted multiple times that i'm very stupid. - hokie VT - 12/27 10:24:03
                              RE: Nuh, uh. I'va admitted multiple times that i'm very stupid. - sarasotatiger MU - 12/27 10:37:52




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