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Posted on: December 8, 2016 at 14:33:15 CT
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https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Anatomy%20of%20the%20State_3.pdf

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard62.html

What the State Is Not

The State is almost universally considered an institution of social service. Some theorists venerate the State as the apotheosis of society; others regard it as an amiable, though often inefficient, organization for achieving social ends; but almost all regard it as a necessary means for achieving the goals of mankind, a means to be ranged against the "private sector" and often winning in this competition of resources. With the rise of democracy, the identification of the State with society has been redoubled, until it is common to hear sentiments expressed which violate virtually every tenet of reason and common sense such as, "we are the government." The useful collective term "we" has enabled an ideological camouflage to be thrown over the reality of political life. If "we are the government," then anything a government does to an individual is not only just and untyrannical but also "voluntary" on the part of the individual concerned. If the government has incurred a huge public debt which must be paid by taxing one group for the benefit of another, this reality of burden is obscured by saying that "we owe it to ourselves"; if the government conscripts a man, or throws him into jail for dissident opinion, then he is "doing it to himself" and, therefore, nothing untoward has occurred. Under this reasoning, any Jews murdered by the Nazi government were not murdered; instead, they must have "committed suicide," since they were the government (which was democratically chosen), and, therefore, anything the government did to them was voluntary on their part. One would not think it necessary to belabor this point, and yet the overwhelming bulk of the people hold this fallacy to a greater or lesser degree.

We must, therefore, emphasize that "we" are not the government; the government is not "us." The government does not in any accurate sense "represent" the majority of the people.[1] But, even if it did, even if 70 percent of the people decided to murder the remaining 30 percent, this would still be murder and would not be voluntary suicide on the part of the slaughtered minority.[2] No organicist metaphor, no irrelevant bromide that "we are all part of one another," must be permitted to obscure this basic fact.

If, then, the State is not "us," if it is not "the human family" getting together to decide mutual problems, if it is not a lodge meeting or country club, what is it? Briefly, the State is that organization in society which attempts to maintain a monopoly of the use of force and violence in a given territorial area; in particular, it is the only organization in society that obtains its revenue not by voluntary contribution or payment for services rendered but by coercion. While other individuals or institutions obtain their income by production of goods and services and by the peaceful and voluntary sale of these goods and services to others, the State obtains its revenue by the use of compulsion; that is, by the use and the threat of the jailhouse and the bayonet.[3] Having used force and violence to obtain its revenue, the State generally goes on to regulate and dictate the other actions of its individual subjects. One would think that simple observation of all States through history and over the globe would be proof enough of this assertion; but the miasma of myth has lain so long over State activity that elaboration is necessary.

Edited by pickle at 14:35:03 on 12/08/16
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USA creating wars for profit (wikileaks dump) - SuperTone MU - 12/8 13:24:39
     Gen Mattis wound up on the board of General Dynamics - hefeweizen MU - 12/8 13:28:50
          Flynn has been in Trump's ear about this stuff. - SuperTone MU - 12/8 13:38:39
               What is Flynn doing with his lobbiest company specializing - Mo Texan MU - 12/8 13:49:00
                    probably trying to make money.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 12/8 13:51:14
                         Conflicts do help that(nm) - Mo Texan MU - 12/8 14:00:23
                              you still betting on that hillary win?(nm) - SuperTone MU - 12/8 14:25:15
                                   Never did, nice avoidence of the facts though(nm) - Mo Texan MU - 12/8 15:09:43
          Your point?(nm) - tman KC - 12/8 13:30:00
               I think it is pretty obvious. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 12/8 13:34:14
                    Then provide it(nm) - tman KC - 12/8 13:45:03
                         Why, if it is obvious? Are you that stupid?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 12/8 14:02:06
                              Must be. Spell it out please(nm) - tman KC - 12/8 14:12:37
                                   The OP was about military profitting by supplying arms - hefeweizen MU - 12/8 14:18:17
                                        So you are drawing by reference that this General - tman KC - 12/8 14:31:04
                                             It is quite obvious what I said. Dont be obtuse(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 12/8 14:37:28
                                                  I am not. The fact he was on the board doesn't mean - tman KC - 12/8 15:07:08
                                        War is the health of the State (nm) - pickle MU - 12/8 14:21:10
                                             What is the state you speak of(nm) - tman KC - 12/8 14:31:31
                                                  What The State Is - pickle MU - 12/8 14:36:50
                                                  That is a very good and important question - pickle MU - 12/8 14:33:15
                                                       Which of course you don't believe in the State even as - tman KC - 12/8 15:12:08
                                                            You are confused - pickle MU - 12/8 15:59:36
                                                                 War is not the health of the State - tman KC - 12/8 18:06:37
                    It is (nm) - pickle MU - 12/8 13:39:15




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