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Posted on: October 13, 2016 at 11:53:35 CT
JeffB MU
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each individual... for any atheist, no?

How could there be any objective "right" or "wrong" in a world with no God, no creator?

All things, all living things, all animals... including man, of course, are just random conglomerations of matter that happen to be in the current state by random chance, no?

All thought is just electrons flowing across synapses in the random collection of matter than forms a person's brain, no? Logically that all happens according to the "laws of nature" and there is no such thing as "free will".

How could random collections of atoms and molecules that act according to the laws of nature with no free will do something that is "moral" or "immoral". Would a rock that is pushed by the wind and rolls down a hill and smashes a house have been acting "immorally" for having done so?

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With all this new fervor for Wikileaks and the importance of - ummmm MU - 10/13 11:19:29
     Problem with that is that he/she swore an oath which - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:23:09
          Snowden signed an oath too - raskolnikov MU - 10/13 11:34:00
               Does your whole family promote evil & love Big Government? (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/13 12:06:01
                    does yours, or just you? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 12:21:21
                         not going well for you, pickle. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 12:22:44
               No wonder you are so pro-war - ummmm MU - 10/13 11:48:16
                    according to pickle, responding like this means it is going - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:58:07
          RE: Problem with that is that he/she swore an oath which - ummmm MU - 10/13 11:27:03
               did she receive orders to reveal secrets? - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:28:24
               Orders. Im sure those orders include not doing what he did - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:28:15
                    If we are going to rely on generalities - ummmm MU - 10/13 11:30:43
                         nice cherry pick there. He swore an oath to obey orders - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:32:12
                              that's not cherry picking (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:36:19
                              And he swore to defend the Constitution against - ummmm MU - 10/13 11:33:44
                                   whatever. I will not sign. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:34:35
                                        I wasn't hopeful that you would - ummmm MU - 10/13 11:46:41
                                        of course you won't - pickle MU - 10/13 11:36:56
                                             since you think the very existence of government is an - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:38:34
                              Which comes first? Defend the Constitution. (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 10/13 11:33:26
                                   Ohhh, so it stops there? Why the extra words then? so - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:34:07
                                        Order of precedence too hard for you to grasp?(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 10/13 11:34:59
                                             kooks unite(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:35:45
                                                  There is a reason the Constitution is worded first. It is - TigerMatt MU - 10/13 11:38:19
                                                  not going well for you, Reino (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:37:22
                                                       says you and I reject your opinion(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:37:49
                                                            no, says you (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:39:39
                                                                 I never said it was going bad for me. I reject your opinion(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:41:09
                                                                      you did when you said "kooks unite" (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:48:49
                                                                           how is that different than saying he is denying the - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:56:00
                                                                 grow up pickle. how childish can you get? (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:40:23
                    this is a silly thing to hold on to here (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:30:40
                         Im sure you think that since you disagree with it.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:32:58
                              no, because you are denying the individual and free thinking - pickle MU - 10/13 11:35:57
                                   I reject your opinion(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:37:22
                                        your words: "Orders" (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:38:35
                                             I reject your opinion(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:39:51
                                                  that wasn't opinion (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:49:19
                                                       awesome. psst-it is only opinion. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:58:46
                                                  pickle doesn't have opinions, he only has "facts." - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:41:19
                                                       I reject his opinion on this(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:42:21
                                                            so do I. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:43:28
                                   another straw man pickle. why? (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:36:57
          Snowden may die soon if Hillary gets elected (nm) - Sal KC - 10/13 11:25:35
               You or I may die soon if Hillary gets elected - Mormad MU - 10/13 11:28:33
                    She openly stated she wanted to drone Assange - Sal KC - 10/13 11:30:45
                         Drone an embassy in London? - Toger STL - 10/13 11:35:26
                         I'm sure she does - Mormad MU - 10/13 11:31:42
                              defend baby defend! (nm) - Sal KC - 10/13 11:32:23
                                   irony (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:58:55
          morals (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:25:18
               Morality is a completely subjective construct made up by - JeffB MU - 10/13 11:53:35
               I get that but he/she went against those morals by - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:26:09
                    no (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:27:50
                         yes. you can't claim moral high ground and then defend - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:29:13
                              Read the oath again. Defending Constitution and truth is - TigerMatt MU - 10/13 11:31:05
                                   in your opinion. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:33:56
                         How convenient that ones words dont fall under that(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:28:37
                              it's not a matter of convenience - pickle MU - 10/13 11:30:05
                                   So lying is moral? (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:30:51
                                        what lie? but please - pickle MU - 10/13 11:34:17
                                             why the straw man pickle? (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:35:43
                                             strawman, nice. I wont sign(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:35:11
                                                  what straw man? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:37:42
                                                       this one: - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:42:25
                                        If it fits a narrative (nm) - Sal KC - 10/13 11:32:53
                                             what narrative? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/13 11:40:00
                                                  "morals" (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:40:51
                                             of course(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/13 11:33:32
                                   an violating an oath is immoral. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:30:51
                                        Oath not violated. (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 10/13 11:31:31
                                             only if she was ordered to reveal those secrets, - mizzou alum 93 MU - 10/13 11:33:01




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