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for the love of god this false narrative will never end.

Posted on: September 24, 2016 at 21:43:13 CT
blake1771 MU
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i feel like a broken record explaining this to people. throw out whether you agree with the law for a moment b/c that's an entirely different debate, but no law enforcement agency has any special "stop and frisk" policies.

ALL stops and frisks are subject to existing supreme court decisions. primarily terry v ohio.

officers must have reasonable suspicion to stop the individual. i feel like most of you need a refresher on what that is so...

Reasonable suspicion is a legal standard of proof in United States law that is less than probable cause, the legal standard for arrests and warrants, but more than an "inchoate and unparticularized suspicion or 'hunch'"; it must be based on "specific and articulable facts", "taken together with rational inferences from those facts",and the suspicion must be associated with the specific individual.

you now know the basis for the stop.

moving on to the frisk. The officer must have reasonable suspicion that the subject is armed AND dangerous. Not armed or dangerous. armed AND dangerous.

The frisk is ONLY for weapons. a frisk is not for drugs or any other contraband.

there is no blanket authority or policy to stop and frisk people at will. there are departments who prioritize stop and frisk but it's still subject to existing law.

do some departments abuse this? maybe. i don't know. but i do know i get sick of hearing about stop and frisk like it's some new notion or something.

Edited by blake1771 at 06:27:41 on 09/27/16
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Trump wants stop and frisk in Chicago - El-ahrairah KC - 9/24 16:57:12
     It's just blacks killing blacks. nm. - MUTGR MU - 9/24 21:46:14
     for the love of god this false narrative will never end. - blake1771 KC - 9/24 21:43:13
          El Dipstick and pickle view it as a terrible infringement - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/24 23:16:20
               It is a terrible infringement - pickle MU - 9/25 07:58:39
     Or enough killings. Gotta keep them up. - GA Tiger MU - 9/24 19:16:58
     Good. Keep those thugs in check. NM - JoplinTiger07 MU - 9/24 18:20:49
          that's an unfortunate position for you to take - pickle MU - 9/24 18:27:30
               I'm a utilitarian. The interests of many outweigh the rights - JoplinTiger07 MU - 9/24 18:30:58
                    Sounds like socialism(nm) - El-ahrairah KC - 9/24 18:36:04
                         No. The majority of Americans prefer capitalism. However... - JoplinTiger07 MU - 9/24 18:49:07
                              you misunderstood. he said what YOU described - pickle MU - 9/24 18:56:50
                    you're anti-individual - pickle MU - 9/24 18:34:17
     stop and frisk works. And it is legal. - Coors4bob MU - 9/24 17:47:22
          we need more checkpoints - El-ahrairah KC - 9/24 18:08:04
               You are clueless about what stop and frisk even is. - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/24 18:45:04
                    he has a very strong and accurate view of stop and frisk - pickle MU - 9/24 19:02:59
                         And once again, a stupid filter would be a great addition - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/24 19:11:22
          Awesome Big Govt approach(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 9/24 17:57:13
               then you support it(nm) - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 9/24 18:01:37
                    No sir(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 9/24 18:15:30
                         But you support big government when it subjugates blacks - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 9/24 18:23:11
                              No(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 9/24 18:42:39
                         Why? Because it isn't one that takes money from - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 9/24 18:21:28
                              Never been a big govt guy my friend. If you still buy into - raskolnikov MU - 9/24 18:25:01
                                   LMFAO! - pickle MU - 9/24 18:32:10
                                   LOL!. Okay. So "mft" like GM which uses coal, oil, is a bank - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 9/24 18:31:11
                                        WOW, that made no sense - raskolnikov MU - 9/24 18:45:24
                                             told ya, Bulldog (nm) - pickle MU - 9/24 19:03:15
                                             You truly are as dense as they come. Does GM cause - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 9/24 18:54:16
                                        he doesn't understand a word you wrote (nm) - pickle MU - 9/24 18:36:22
                                   how do businesses "cheat"? - El-ahrairah KC - 9/24 18:28:11
                              thats what all government is - El-ahrairah KC - 9/24 18:24:34
          it's anti-liberty (nm) - pickle MU - 9/24 17:51:18
               I'm anti-stupid - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/24 17:52:50
                    if only that were true (nm) - pickle MU - 9/24 17:55:02
                         Yes. If Nick had a stupid filter, you'd be gone. (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/24 18:45:45
          You people that hate the Constitution should - JayHoaxH8r MU - 9/24 17:49:08
     Like all GOPers..he'll let a man do what he can't - JayHoaxH8r MU - 9/24 17:46:26
     Right. That isn't up to Chicago but sm govt DC - raskolnikov MU - 9/24 17:45:34
     I guess this is his promise to end crime. Genius! - Mr. Orange SU - 9/24 17:35:36
          Hillary's is to let blacks continue to kill blacks until - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 9/24 18:07:05
     BFD. Terry vs. Ohio has been a standard for a long time. - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/24 17:01:03
          Yes, it is a BFD - pickle MU - 9/24 17:23:49
               Shouldn't they be releasing all of the prisoners first... - JeffB MU - 9/24 17:33:44
               Supreme Court says otherwise (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/24 17:27:11
                    well, it also says mass murder is too - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 9/24 17:31:43
                         No (nm) - pickle MU - 9/24 17:32:02
                              yes(nm) - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 9/24 17:32:40
                                   No, MU98 - pickle MU - 9/24 17:34:21
                                        So you have finally reconsidered your illogical and inconsis - JeffB MU - 9/24 17:37:29
                                             He also doesn't understand natural rights can only come from - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 9/24 17:41:26
                                                  that's incorrect - pickle MU - 9/24 17:49:00
                                                       that is idiotic - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 9/24 18:10:32
                                                            but conjuring a supernatural (existing outside of nature) - pickle MU - 9/24 18:24:24
                                                                 Nature can in no way explain itself sans a resort to - JeffB MU - 9/24 18:52:35
                                                       Why does the random collection of molecules that make up man - JeffB MU - 9/24 17:56:08
                                                  Yes, among the MANY questions he can't/won't answer... - JeffB MU - 9/24 17:45:27
                                             and he lectures other about natural rights - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 9/24 17:38:44
                                                  there's no hypocrisy here, MU98 - pickle MU - 9/24 17:50:36
                                                       Of course you are hypocritical. The Non-Aggression Principle - JeffB MU - 9/24 18:17:02
                                                  He's so brazen about his hypocrisy that it is stunning. (nm) - JeffB MU - 9/24 17:42:15
                                        Yes, Mr. Green Jeans - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 9/24 17:35:53
                                             mass murder isn't the topic here - pickle MU - 9/24 17:46:48
                                                  'Yes, it is a BFD because it is an infringement of rights' - JeffB MU - 9/24 17:53:44
                                                       seriously, get some reading comprehension - pickle MU - 9/24 18:30:38
                                                            You just can't answer the obvious absurdity of your contradi - JeffB MU - 9/24 19:01:11
                    Irrelevant - pickle MU - 9/24 17:29:35
          It's plenty proactive enough already. - Evenflow MU - 9/24 17:08:29
               A lot of those departments have backed off for various - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/24 17:15:44
                    Boo boo (nm) - pickle MU - 9/24 17:25:09
                         Your sympathy for the additional victims and their families - JeffB MU - 9/24 19:27:28
                    Id rather do paperwork - El-ahrairah KC - 9/24 17:20:31
     He needs to stop with all of the stop and frisk talk - 615Tiger STL - 9/24 16:59:27




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