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'Bernie making stands on gun laws after incidents that I
Posted on: July 25, 2016 at 00:36:23 CT
JeffB MU
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believe to be false-flags -- which means what?'
A few possibilities that I can think of:
1. He's in on the false flag conspiracy?
2. He doesn't realize that it's a false flag conspiracy and is acting in good faith on his convictions.
3. You were incorrect in your belief that it was a false flag conspiracy.
There is a hefty sequence of 'what if's' going on here.
The question, and now your post seems to be a bizarre attempt to someway, somehow have a 'gotcha' moment with me.
I don't see the question as being as confrontational as you seem to perceive it.
It also doesn't seem to include a lot of "what ifs" as far as I can tell.
Bernie and his supporters felt that they were being treated unfairly all along. But Bernie, apparently grudgingly endorsed Hillary when it became obvious that she had enough delegates to win the nomination... after a lot of behind the scenes arm twisting.
The DNC servers were hacked. Emails were released that indicated that the DNC was very much favoring the Hillary Clinton campaign, a violation of their perceived duty to be unbiased and fair to all candidates.
This caused a big furor among Bernie supporters... and among the public at large and the Democrats in particular were embarrassed. The bigwigs forced DWS to resign under heavy pressure.
I think that would certainly leave the door open for Bernie to take back his offer of endorsement, or to openly criticize DWS & any others who had been conspiring to keep him from getting the nomination and for using underhanded tactics in order to do so. He could evenly openly call for the delegates to vote their consciences and to vote for him, especially the super delegates who would be free to do so, even without this latest Hillary scandal.
The only "what if" as I see it is Evenflow's speculation that Bernie will just put his head down and play along, and asked you IF he did that, would that indicate to you that Bernie was in fact a part of the system that he had been railing and campaigning against?
It seems like a fair question and not really a "gotcha". None of us is all knowing and I'm hoping that all of us will change or adjust our viewpoints and opinions as appropriate based upon new knowledge coming in. If I backed some candidate and later found out that s/he talked a good game & was right on all the issues from my perspective, and then I found out later that the candidate was being deceptive on one or more issues or a blatant liar, or living a double life, or whatever, I wouldn't necessarily take that as an insult if someone asked me what I thought about the candidate.
I might be very disappointed that they weren't the person I thought and hoped that they were, but the problem was really their's, not mine.
I would reevaluate based upon the new information and continue on. We're getting a stream of new information all the time. Sometimes it's piddly little information that changes nothing & sometimes its blockbuster information, but hopefully I'm always open to integrating new information as it becomes available.
In this case, had I been backing Bernie I think I might have felt something along the lines of:
1. IF he continued to back Hillary
A. I would be very disappointed and would now feel that he was actually a part of "the system" or
B. He really had little or no choice because...
C. It wasn't a problem of "the system", but a few rogue players who got out of bounds.
D. Some other reason?
2. IF he comes out swinging that would reinforce my belief that he was the best candidate
A few possibilities that I can think of:
1. He's in on the false flag conspiracy?
2. He doesn't realize that it's a false flag conspiracy and is acting in good faith on his convictions.
3. You were incorrect in your belief that it was a false flag conspiracy.
There is a hefty sequence of 'what if's' going on here.
The question, and now your post seems to be a bizarre attempt to someway, somehow have a 'gotcha' moment with me.
I don't see the question as being as confrontational as you seem to perceive it.
It also doesn't seem to include a lot of "what ifs" as far as I can tell.
Bernie and his supporters felt that they were being treated unfairly all along. But Bernie, apparently grudgingly endorsed Hillary when it became obvious that she had enough delegates to win the nomination... after a lot of behind the scenes arm twisting.
The DNC servers were hacked. Emails were released that indicated that the DNC was very much favoring the Hillary Clinton campaign, a violation of their perceived duty to be unbiased and fair to all candidates.
This caused a big furor among Bernie supporters... and among the public at large and the Democrats in particular were embarrassed. The bigwigs forced DWS to resign under heavy pressure.
I think that would certainly leave the door open for Bernie to take back his offer of endorsement, or to openly criticize DWS & any others who had been conspiring to keep him from getting the nomination and for using underhanded tactics in order to do so. He could evenly openly call for the delegates to vote their consciences and to vote for him, especially the super delegates who would be free to do so, even without this latest Hillary scandal.
The only "what if" as I see it is Evenflow's speculation that Bernie will just put his head down and play along, and asked you IF he did that, would that indicate to you that Bernie was in fact a part of the system that he had been railing and campaigning against?
It seems like a fair question and not really a "gotcha". None of us is all knowing and I'm hoping that all of us will change or adjust our viewpoints and opinions as appropriate based upon new knowledge coming in. If I backed some candidate and later found out that s/he talked a good game & was right on all the issues from my perspective, and then I found out later that the candidate was being deceptive on one or more issues or a blatant liar, or living a double life, or whatever, I wouldn't necessarily take that as an insult if someone asked me what I thought about the candidate.
I might be very disappointed that they weren't the person I thought and hoped that they were, but the problem was really their's, not mine.
I would reevaluate based upon the new information and continue on. We're getting a stream of new information all the time. Sometimes it's piddly little information that changes nothing & sometimes its blockbuster information, but hopefully I'm always open to integrating new information as it becomes available.
In this case, had I been backing Bernie I think I might have felt something along the lines of:
1. IF he continued to back Hillary
A. I would be very disappointed and would now feel that he was actually a part of "the system" or
B. He really had little or no choice because...
C. It wasn't a problem of "the system", but a few rogue players who got out of bounds.
D. Some other reason?
2. IF he comes out swinging that would reinforce my belief that he was the best candidate
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