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That's a rational and appealing position to take; however, I

Posted on: July 19, 2016 at 13:03:29 CT
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would ask on what basis, from what frame of reference, you discern what is morally right or wrong - especially in these situations that aren't so clear cut.

I've found that using natural rights and the NAP has allowed me to more objectively view the most complex situations.

I may disagree with pickle (or not) on the M. Brown situation - at some point law enforcement (whether public or private) must engage someone who has violated property or other rights.

My guess is pickle's issue is with the nature of govt law enforcement and not the quibbling over the details of the encounter, but I could be wrong.


I'm fairly well in agreement with him about the state monopoly on law enforcement and the horrendous model employed today universally to "seek out" "offender" of laws which bear no victims; but M. Brown did victimize property and person and needed to be engaged.
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Today's 'Make America Work Again' speakers - jeepdad MU - 7/19 12:29:48
     The America is a racist POS speakers are all in Philly - mu7176grad MU - 7/19 12:41:19
     So part of Trump's appeal is he is not a politician - SuperTone MU - 7/19 12:36:34
     You don't hear policy in the Convention... - Spanky KU - 7/19 12:36:33
     Appropriate (nm) - pickle MU - 7/19 12:35:58
     I mean, MIke Brown's mom is clearly the best choice(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 7/19 12:31:33
          She would be a good choice - pickle MU - 7/19 12:38:28
               Another person screaming murder despite the evidence. - THE President MU - 7/19 12:50:20
                    We have a mutual understanding - pickle MU - 7/19 12:56:54
                         I think you just described 99% of this boards fellings - GODZILLA MU - 7/19 13:03:00
                              Perhaps (nm) - pickle MU - 7/19 13:07:30
                         This might be my favorite post from you. nm - THE President MU - 7/19 12:59:59
               One of the speakers should whip it out and just start - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 12:40:42
                    Your fixation on a) this topic and b) the idea that supporti - 90Tiger MU - 7/19 12:51:04
                         You equate supporting other religions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:02:47
                              for the 43rd time, there is no right to public masturbation. - 90Tiger MU - 7/19 13:05:38
                                   RE: for the 43rd time, there is no right to public masturbation. - ummmm MU - 7/19 13:18:33
                                        nod (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/19 14:06:16
                    You really enjoy talking about male masturbation(nm) - pickle MU - 7/19 12:43:53
                         You believe in the right of men to do that in public - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 12:45:50
                              No, 4Tigs, there is no - 90Tiger MU - 7/19 12:52:38
                                   You deny it. He does not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:03:27
                                        No, 4Tigs, you simply don't understand and don't want to - 90Tiger MU - 7/19 13:04:42
                                             My issue is with what he has posted - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:09:15
                                                  no, it's with your precognition regarding pickle and your - 90Tiger MU - 7/19 14:07:00
                                                  Your issue is with your ignorance - pickle MU - 7/19 13:32:20
                              It doesn't bother me at all - pickle MU - 7/19 12:52:09
                              It's just amazing how everyone fails to understand his - ummmm MU - 7/19 12:50:37
                                   It's funny how three idiots claim it's everyone else - FootballRefugee MU - 7/19 12:53:56
                                        What is amazing is pickle already admitted his position - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:04:12
                                             Post the link where pickle says he does not - ummmm MU - 7/19 13:05:32
                                                  I have before numerous times - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:08:14
                                                       Not even once (nm) - pickle MU - 7/19 13:14:48
                                                            Well, here you go and what little credibility you have left - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:21:57
                                                                 no, that's not what you're being challenged on (nm) - pickle MU - 7/19 13:24:44
                                                                      Oh wow!! - GODZILLA MU - 7/19 13:44:51
                                                                      That is what I claimed above - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:25:51
                                                                           No, nothing is being twisted - pickle MU - 7/19 13:27:23
                                                       I have never seen you post it. So, just post it again. - ummmm MU - 7/19 13:09:31
                                                            No, it is a matter of record many times - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:11:00
                                                                 You're making the claim; back it up (nm) - pickle MU - 7/19 13:22:48
                                                                      I did - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:23:56
                                                                           You didn't. Read this post carefully - pickle MU - 7/19 13:26:01
                                                                                So is it now your position that ones stated right to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:28:08
                                                                                     No, I want you to post the link that backs up your claim - pickle MU - 7/19 13:33:14
                                                                 Of course that is exactly what you are doing (nm) - pickle MU - 7/19 13:15:40
                                                                 I won't be able to find it, because he never posted it (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/19 13:12:24
                                                                      Here you go - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:22:49
                                                                           I asked you to a post a link - ummmm MU - 7/19 13:33:14
                                                                           Total fail. try again (nm) - pickle MU - 7/19 13:23:36
                                                                                You espouse clearly a right to public masturbation - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:25:04
                                                                                     And this takes us back to here: - ummmm MU - 7/19 13:33:51
                                                                                     No, you claimed something else - pickle MU - 7/19 13:26:38
                                                                                          So tell us how you believe the right to public masturbation - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/19 13:28:44
                                                                                               Rights are neither granted not taken away - pickle MU - 7/19 13:41:30
                                                                                                    but they are enforced, pickles - FootballRefugee MU - 7/19 14:29:36
                                                                                                         Rights are not enforced; laws and rules are (nm) - pickle MU - 7/19 15:06:40
                                                                      Which is why I said it is just amazing how everyone - ummmm MU - 7/19 13:16:13
                                                                           and how everyone recognizes you rhetorically doing this - FootballRefugee MU - 7/19 14:28:23
               lol(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 7/19 12:39:28
                    RE: lol(nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/19 12:48:14
                    You started swinging away from the police state - pickle MU - 7/19 12:45:37
                         Unlike you, I can have opinions based on situations and - hefeweizen MU - 7/19 12:49:35
                              That's a rational and appealing position to take; however, I - 90Tiger MU - 7/19 13:03:29
                                   Your guess is correct - pickle MU - 7/19 13:06:16
                              I have morals and principles - pickle MU - 7/19 12:54:33
                                   yet you seem to advocate murder of cops because, being - hefeweizen MU - 7/19 12:59:02
                                        Pointing out that the state is reaping what it has sown - ummmm MU - 7/19 13:13:55
                                        There is reason his hatred for cops ie the state is - GODZILLA MU - 7/19 13:00:25
                                             What is the reason for your dishonesty? (nm) - pickle MU - 7/19 13:02:37
                                                  2nd dodge of the day and only an hour in. Why dont you have - GODZILLA MU - 7/19 13:05:00
                                        You're being stupid again (nm) - pickle MU - 7/19 13:00:01
                                             1st dodge of the day. - GODZILLA MU - 7/19 13:01:07
                                                  I refuse to entertain straw man arguments - pickle MU - 7/19 13:03:40
                                                       Every time a cop gets murdered in cold blood you make a - GODZILLA MU - 7/19 13:06:35
                                                            I've never used the word deserves about a cop's death - pickle MU - 7/19 13:09:52
                                             and there it is. Im done with you for awhile(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 7/19 13:00:44
                                                  Ok - pickle MU - 7/19 13:01:51
          lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 7/19 12:36:04




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