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usually no. the $ is between the brand and the model

Posted on: May 3, 2024 at 10:32:28 CT
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or the company and the athlete. the agency/collective helps with the paperwork and takes a cut of the overall deal though and that's how the folks who work there get paid. but like a modeling agency, a collective can say "i represent A and B and C brands, and they collectively represent a marketing budget worth $X" so when someone says tennessee's collective has $5M to spend on players, what that really means is the collective has a roster of companies that may or may not be willing to spend up to $5M on players' likeness.

it certainly doesn't mean the university of tennessee, or tennessee's AD, or even tennessee's collective paid Prospect Jones $5M to sign with the vols. and it doesn't mean there's $5M available to be spent this year or in this recruiting cycle. a lot of deals that are actually made are multi-year engagements that pay over time and have an out. so when someone says Prospect Jones got paid $1M to sign with teh vols, he really got a 5 year offer that might pay him $50,000 in year one, $100K in year 2, $250K in year three... etc. the reality is that contract gets cancelled midway through because the kid isn't a starter or whatever. then they're ****ed because they thought they were getting a million but they didn't and now they're transferring.

that's the game.
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          It will be interesting when one of the collectives blows - MUTGR MU - 5/4 12:36:32
          not really... it's mostly just pay-for-play (nm) - zounami MU - 5/3 15:55:15
          Nope. Collectives are the antithesis of what NIL was suppose - alwaysright MU - 5/3 15:04:36
               correct (nm) - zounami MU - 5/3 15:55:21
          think of the collectives like they're modeling agencies. - phrejd KC - 5/3 10:04:59
               why don't you see "NIL collectives" at the pro level? (nm) - zounami MU - 5/3 15:55:57
                    i honestly can't tell if this is a serious question - phrejd KC - 5/3 16:37:51
                         that's because of your dementia (nm) - zounami MU - 5/3 16:50:40
               you're naive and have no clue what you're talking about (nm) - zounami MU - 5/3 15:52:55
               But are *they* paying the players, and then collecting from - JeffB MU - 5/3 10:17:00
                    usually no. the $ is between the brand and the model - phrejd KC - 5/3 10:32:28
                         But how would they bundle something like that together if - JeffB MU - 5/3 10:42:13
                              the agency helps negotiate that and coordinates - phrejd KC - 5/3 10:48:41
                                   That seems way too complex to me in an environment where - JeffB MU - 5/3 10:59:35
                                        it's not that complex, and yes i have been involved in both - phrejd KC - 5/3 12:45:51
                                        It is so simple - Genco98 MU - 5/3 12:14:34
                                             no, you just don't understand it. if you'd stop being - phrejd KC - 5/3 12:57:42
                                                  the irony (nm) - zounami MU - 5/3 15:56:36
                                                  I'm not defensive - Genco98 MU - 5/3 13:27:37
                                                       oh. i see what's happening here. - phrejd KC - 5/3 13:28:48
                                                            Good lord(nm) - Genco98 MU - 5/3 13:31:01
                                                                 in this thread who is having the conversation, and who is - phrejd KC - 5/3 13:36:08
                                                                      Multiple times both Jeff and I tried to make reasonable - Genco98 MU - 5/5 08:51:52
          It's kind of fog how that works - Genco98 MU - 5/3 10:02:26
               no. there is no mystery. it's pretty clear cut. - phrejd KC - 5/3 10:15:23
                    you're naive and have no clue what you're talking about (nm) - zounami MU - 5/3 15:52:47
                    I just don't think there are any absolutes - Genco98 MU - 5/3 10:23:48
                         Yeah, I think things will keep changing for a while. (nm) - JeffB MU - 5/3 10:28:29
                              there's shady **** in every business. this is no different. - phrejd KC - 5/3 10:34:57
                                   Yes having unaudited entities collecting large sums of money - Genco98 MU - 5/3 10:50:35
                                   No doubt, but I think this current system is still in flux - JeffB MU - 5/3 10:48:12
                                        definitley a bit of "wild west" to it now, but that will get - phrejd KC - 5/3 10:55:10
                                        He's has weird arrogance about this - Genco98 MU - 5/3 10:54:09
                                             he has a naïve misunderstanding of what's actually happening - zounami MU - 5/3 15:54:12
                                             it's not weird arrogance. it's an understanding of how it - phrejd KC - 5/3 10:57:37
                                                  *misunderstanding (nm) - zounami MU - 5/3 15:54:40
     How about a pay versus production comparison....nm - tigertix MU - 5/3 09:02:31
          Tough to get that info, but the article does say that they - JeffB MU - 5/3 09:42:56




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