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Even though we made an elite 8 with Quin....

Posted on: April 22, 2021 at 13:37:02 CT
El Zorro MU
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makes you wonder how history might have changed if we would have hired Self.

And yep - the Kim Anderson hire was a complete and total disaster.

Kim Anderson actually makes Cuonzo look good by comparison........which is not easy to do.

Edited by El Zorro at 13:38:00 on 04/22/21
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     Suitcase Mike best coach since Norm - raskolnikov MU - 4/22 17:45:35
          I can never blame a coach for wishing to go home. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/23 08:41:22
               Mike left home to come to MU. UAB was his home - FIJItiger MU - 4/23 08:45:12
                    Back home to where his success began, not his literal home. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/23 08:49:29
          It’s amazing how many people forget how screwed up his - alwaysright MU - 4/22 21:42:54
               That was because he knew he was already the Arky coach. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/23 08:42:34
          What we would not give to have that program back now(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 20:43:15
     Kim didn't have success, but he didn't harm the program - MUHoopster MU - 4/22 16:19:34
          Lol. Ok then. (nm) - Lerxst MU - 4/22 17:28:42
          Man, that is a crazy perspective - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 17:25:09
               Just because it’s crazy doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Rarely - MNTIGER MU - 4/22 19:11:19
                    I think we have had more impactful injuries, but I am more - FIJItiger MU - 4/23 07:44:19
               the argument against this is cuonzo's first year. - phrejd MU - 4/22 17:31:08
                    Well Cuonzo is an actual D1 coach - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 17:37:48
                         listen i'm not debating which is the better coach. - phrejd MU - 4/22 17:44:22
                              And the cupboard was not bare when he left either. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 20:42:13
                                   KA was bad. Just wasn’t bad as a talent evaluator - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 20:51:19
                                        Actually true. The funny thing is that you saw that in KA - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 21:07:41
                                             I guess you could make a case that they are the same but - alwaysright MU - 4/22 22:04:56
                                                  His defense sucks because his team is full of marginal - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/23 08:40:15
                                                       His defense sucks because he is not actually a good - alwaysright MU - 4/26 20:56:01
                              RE: listen i'm not debating which is the better coach. - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 17:47:51
                                   yet only a few weeks later - phrejd MU - 4/22 18:27:41
          this is a very interesting take - phrejd MU - 4/22 16:25:46
               Made the NCAAs the season after KA left(nm) - Diamond Dave MU - 4/22 16:31:12
                    right? if you completely ignore everything DURING the KA era - phrejd MU - 4/22 16:37:36
                         Its still not. Before Kim we won 23 games in 2013-14 - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 17:33:15
                              that 23 win team was so lightly thought of they lost in the - Jeff80 MU - 4/22 23:26:45
                              well that's a compelling response, but i'd counter by saying - phrejd MU - 4/22 17:38:56
                                   How many coaches take over a cratered program and are - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 20:56:25
                                   But here is the catch - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 17:45:38
                                        That is all true. CM is our second worst in my lifetime - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 21:04:12
                                        i don't disagree with any of that (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/22 18:29:28
          the **** you taking about??(nm) - TigerA MU - 4/22 16:20:45
     Ok so how is this fixed?(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 4/22 15:02:43
          MU is not capable of fixing it. They've had 5 chances and - Jeff80 MU - 4/22 23:31:28
          Hire a good coach. That is the only path to having - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 15:18:04
     Thanks Mike dbag Alden(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 4/22 14:56:21
     The panic firing of kim and the panic hiring of cuanzo(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/22 14:48:51
          There is a one word reason for both - Porters(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 14:55:07
               That is absolutely true(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/22 15:00:19
     Even though we made an elite 8 with Quin.... - El Zorro MU - 4/22 13:37:02
          Which is why some on here continue to defend CM, they have - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 14:53:51
          I think in the Self hypothetical - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 14:37:05
          Everyone thought Self would only stay until the OSU job - MU-TULSA MU - 4/22 14:36:09
               Passing on a coach because he might move on - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 15:19:46
     RE: MU bb has 2 monumental program killing blunders this century - alwaysright MU - 4/22 13:09:57
          That is the 90s though - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:17:55
     what was mid 2004? - meatiger MU - 4/22 13:09:04
          Its when Alden/Floyd accepted their infractions and - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:13:25
               RE: Its when Alden/Floyd accepted their infractions and - meatiger MU - 4/22 13:17:00
                    We accepted all infractions, refuted none (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:26:30
                         As much as I despise the beakers they know how to play the - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 13:36:40
                         I think it was the cheeseburger Helen Snyder cooked - doughboy MU - 4/22 13:29:34
                              If I recall correctly, MU included infractions that - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:42:49
                         That is the Mike Alden Surrender Immediately Move! - Fred G. Sanford USA - 4/22 13:29:24
     and outside of those 2 monumental blunders, when MU - phrejd MU - 4/22 12:58:48
          I'm not sure I even understand the claims pertaining to - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:11:03
               based on this, he got $375k a year - TigerA MU - 4/22 13:17:42
               Coaching staff salaries are half our program budget. - the808bass MU - 4/22 13:14:07
                    But if you were to offer $7 million a year could you upgrade - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 13:30:07
                         Yes to the first. No to the second. You could give Cuonzo - the808bass MU - 4/22 14:17:14
                              Norm was a true son - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 14:23:29
                                   Cuonzo doesn’t have the assistants he has because of budget - the808bass MU - 4/22 14:27:34
                                        That doesn’t make it true. - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 14:30:55
                                             I don’t know why anyone would argue this point. - the808bass MU - 4/22 16:12:17
                                                  Unless you know Cuonzo and he’s told you that directly - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 16:20:16
                                                       are you saying he wants to hire good assistants, just can't? - phrejd MU - 4/22 16:28:33
                                                            I’m questioning if he has the money to pay top dollar - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 16:33:34
                                                                 what he spends =/= what he has available to spend. - phrejd MU - 4/22 16:39:23
                                                                      It’s in his contract - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 16:43:40
                                                                           it's $1.2M - phrejd MU - 4/22 17:27:06
                                                                                Tennessee alots $1.8 million for the same - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 17:38:52
                                                                                     link? (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/22 17:40:19
                                                                                          Kentucky paid $1.6 million just for assistants - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 17:50:06
                                                                                               so no links? (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/22 18:28:19
                                                                                                    RE: so no links? (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 18:40:02
                                                                                                    I could keep going - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 18:38:19
                                                                                                         so a link to a tweet speculating about illinois was the - phrejd MU - 4/22 19:10:36
                                                                                                              I was able to find that information - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 19:15:25
                                                                                                                   it appears you prefer to just make **** up - phrejd MU - 4/22 19:27:26
                                                                                                                        Didn’t make the financials up - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 19:32:10
                                                                                                                             Or, - phrejd MU - 4/22 21:25:39
                                                                                                                                  So you just mistyped? It was $1.1 million when MPS - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/23 07:21:45
                                                                                                                                       no. $1,100,000 plus $110,000 is $1.21 million - phrejd MU - 4/23 11:24:06
                                                                                                                                            Gotcha you are including other support staff there - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/23 11:52:08
     We get it but they gave up before they hired KA. The - SabertoothTiger MU - 4/22 12:57:32
          Haith was a panic hire after Alden got spurned by Painter... - Lerxst MU - 4/22 17:30:40
          i think the haith hire was a mistake and a poor hire, but - phrejd MU - 4/22 13:01:59
               I think, and thought at the time, that the KA hire was a - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 13:32:06
               it was a monumental blunder. We could have hired someone - SabertoothTiger MU - 4/22 13:05:57
          Assuming your premise to be true, that only further - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:00:51
               Haith won zero games his last season at MU(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/22 14:49:45
                    I was referring to reality (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 15:16:27
               we should be a top 25 program no doubt. I don't - SabertoothTiger MU - 4/22 13:03:58
                    True, but to be fair nobody said that about - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:07:43
          And its all on Mike Alden. He sucked donkey balls when it - SabertoothTiger MU - 4/22 12:59:32
               Quin's mistake was being the good employee to Alden - doughboy MU - 4/22 13:19:24
               Definately agree with that - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:03:00




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