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I think, and thought at the time, that the KA hire was a

Posted on: April 22, 2021 at 13:32:06 CT
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mistake.

The school was trying to hire Norm 2.0. KA had been a longtime assistant and a national championship coach at the DII level. I thought we should have waited for him to take one more step before pulling the trigger on him but there was nothing to suggest he was that far in over his head. I understood the hire, I never thought he could fail that spectacularly.

Trying to recapture old glory seldom works out, just ask Arkansas.
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     Suitcase Mike best coach since Norm - raskolnikov MU - 4/22 17:45:35
          I can never blame a coach for wishing to go home. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/23 08:41:22
               Mike left home to come to MU. UAB was his home - FIJItiger MU - 4/23 08:45:12
                    Back home to where his success began, not his literal home. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/23 08:49:29
          It’s amazing how many people forget how screwed up his - alwaysright MU - 4/22 21:42:54
               That was because he knew he was already the Arky coach. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/23 08:42:34
          What we would not give to have that program back now(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 20:43:15
     Kim didn't have success, but he didn't harm the program - MUHoopster MU - 4/22 16:19:34
          Lol. Ok then. (nm) - Lerxst MU - 4/22 17:28:42
          Man, that is a crazy perspective - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 17:25:09
               Just because it’s crazy doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Rarely - MNTIGER MU - 4/22 19:11:19
                    I think we have had more impactful injuries, but I am more - FIJItiger MU - 4/23 07:44:19
               the argument against this is cuonzo's first year. - phrejd MU - 4/22 17:31:08
                    Well Cuonzo is an actual D1 coach - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 17:37:48
                         listen i'm not debating which is the better coach. - phrejd MU - 4/22 17:44:22
                              And the cupboard was not bare when he left either. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 20:42:13
                                   KA was bad. Just wasn’t bad as a talent evaluator - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 20:51:19
                                        Actually true. The funny thing is that you saw that in KA - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 21:07:41
                                             I guess you could make a case that they are the same but - alwaysright MU - 4/22 22:04:56
                                                  His defense sucks because his team is full of marginal - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/23 08:40:15
                                                       His defense sucks because he is not actually a good - alwaysright MU - 4/26 20:56:01
                              RE: listen i'm not debating which is the better coach. - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 17:47:51
                                   yet only a few weeks later - phrejd MU - 4/22 18:27:41
          this is a very interesting take - phrejd MU - 4/22 16:25:46
               Made the NCAAs the season after KA left(nm) - Diamond Dave MU - 4/22 16:31:12
                    right? if you completely ignore everything DURING the KA era - phrejd MU - 4/22 16:37:36
                         Its still not. Before Kim we won 23 games in 2013-14 - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 17:33:15
                              that 23 win team was so lightly thought of they lost in the - Jeff80 MU - 4/22 23:26:45
                              well that's a compelling response, but i'd counter by saying - phrejd MU - 4/22 17:38:56
                                   How many coaches take over a cratered program and are - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 20:56:25
                                   But here is the catch - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 17:45:38
                                        That is all true. CM is our second worst in my lifetime - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 21:04:12
                                        i don't disagree with any of that (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/22 18:29:28
          the **** you taking about??(nm) - TigerA MU - 4/22 16:20:45
     Ok so how is this fixed?(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 4/22 15:02:43
          MU is not capable of fixing it. They've had 5 chances and - Jeff80 MU - 4/22 23:31:28
          Hire a good coach. That is the only path to having - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 15:18:04
     Thanks Mike dbag Alden(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 4/22 14:56:21
     The panic firing of kim and the panic hiring of cuanzo(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/22 14:48:51
          There is a one word reason for both - Porters(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 14:55:07
               That is absolutely true(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/22 15:00:19
     Even though we made an elite 8 with Quin.... - El Zorro MU - 4/22 13:37:02
          Which is why some on here continue to defend CM, they have - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 14:53:51
          I think in the Self hypothetical - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 14:37:05
          Everyone thought Self would only stay until the OSU job - MU-TULSA MU - 4/22 14:36:09
               Passing on a coach because he might move on - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 15:19:46
     RE: MU bb has 2 monumental program killing blunders this century - alwaysright MU - 4/22 13:09:57
          That is the 90s though - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:17:55
     what was mid 2004? - meatiger MU - 4/22 13:09:04
          Its when Alden/Floyd accepted their infractions and - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:13:25
               RE: Its when Alden/Floyd accepted their infractions and - meatiger MU - 4/22 13:17:00
                    We accepted all infractions, refuted none (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:26:30
                         As much as I despise the beakers they know how to play the - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 13:36:40
                         I think it was the cheeseburger Helen Snyder cooked - doughboy MU - 4/22 13:29:34
                              If I recall correctly, MU included infractions that - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:42:49
                         That is the Mike Alden Surrender Immediately Move! - Fred G. Sanford USA - 4/22 13:29:24
     and outside of those 2 monumental blunders, when MU - phrejd MU - 4/22 12:58:48
          I'm not sure I even understand the claims pertaining to - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:11:03
               based on this, he got $375k a year - TigerA MU - 4/22 13:17:42
               Coaching staff salaries are half our program budget. - the808bass MU - 4/22 13:14:07
                    But if you were to offer $7 million a year could you upgrade - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 13:30:07
                         Yes to the first. No to the second. You could give Cuonzo - the808bass MU - 4/22 14:17:14
                              Norm was a true son - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 14:23:29
                                   Cuonzo doesn’t have the assistants he has because of budget - the808bass MU - 4/22 14:27:34
                                        That doesn’t make it true. - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 14:30:55
                                             I don’t know why anyone would argue this point. - the808bass MU - 4/22 16:12:17
                                                  Unless you know Cuonzo and he’s told you that directly - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 16:20:16
                                                       are you saying he wants to hire good assistants, just can't? - phrejd MU - 4/22 16:28:33
                                                            I’m questioning if he has the money to pay top dollar - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 16:33:34
                                                                 what he spends =/= what he has available to spend. - phrejd MU - 4/22 16:39:23
                                                                      It’s in his contract - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 16:43:40
                                                                           it's $1.2M - phrejd MU - 4/22 17:27:06
                                                                                Tennessee alots $1.8 million for the same - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 17:38:52
                                                                                     link? (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/22 17:40:19
                                                                                          Kentucky paid $1.6 million just for assistants - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 17:50:06
                                                                                               so no links? (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/22 18:28:19
                                                                                                    RE: so no links? (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 18:40:02
                                                                                                    I could keep going - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 18:38:19
                                                                                                         so a link to a tweet speculating about illinois was the - phrejd MU - 4/22 19:10:36
                                                                                                              I was able to find that information - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 19:15:25
                                                                                                                   it appears you prefer to just make **** up - phrejd MU - 4/22 19:27:26
                                                                                                                        Didn’t make the financials up - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/22 19:32:10
                                                                                                                             Or, - phrejd MU - 4/22 21:25:39
                                                                                                                                  So you just mistyped? It was $1.1 million when MPS - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/23 07:21:45
                                                                                                                                       no. $1,100,000 plus $110,000 is $1.21 million - phrejd MU - 4/23 11:24:06
                                                                                                                                            Gotcha you are including other support staff there - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/23 11:52:08
     We get it but they gave up before they hired KA. The - SabertoothTiger MU - 4/22 12:57:32
          Haith was a panic hire after Alden got spurned by Painter... - Lerxst MU - 4/22 17:30:40
          i think the haith hire was a mistake and a poor hire, but - phrejd MU - 4/22 13:01:59
               I think, and thought at the time, that the KA hire was a - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/22 13:32:06
               it was a monumental blunder. We could have hired someone - SabertoothTiger MU - 4/22 13:05:57
          Assuming your premise to be true, that only further - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:00:51
               Haith won zero games his last season at MU(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/22 14:49:45
                    I was referring to reality (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 15:16:27
               we should be a top 25 program no doubt. I don't - SabertoothTiger MU - 4/22 13:03:58
                    True, but to be fair nobody said that about - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:07:43
          And its all on Mike Alden. He sucked donkey balls when it - SabertoothTiger MU - 4/22 12:59:32
               Quin's mistake was being the good employee to Alden - doughboy MU - 4/22 13:19:24
               Definately agree with that - FIJItiger MU - 4/22 13:03:00




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