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it was a monumental blunder. We could have hired someone
Posted on: April 22, 2021 at 13:05:57 CT
SabertoothTiger
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so much better that would have taken us a step closer to the top.
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MU bb has 2 monumental program killing blunders this century
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 12:39:33
Suitcase Mike best coach since Norm
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raskolnikov
MU
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4/22 17:45:35
I can never blame a coach for wishing to go home.
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/23 08:41:22
Mike left home to come to MU. UAB was his home
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/23 08:45:12
Back home to where his success began, not his literal home.
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/23 08:49:29
It’s amazing how many people forget how screwed up his
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alwaysright
MU
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4/22 21:42:54
That was because he knew he was already the Arky coach.
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/23 08:42:34
What we would not give to have that program back now(nm)
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/22 20:43:15
Kim didn't have success, but he didn't harm the program
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MUHoopster
MU
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4/22 16:19:34
Lol. Ok then. (nm)
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Lerxst
MU
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4/22 17:28:42
Man, that is a crazy perspective
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 17:25:09
Just because it’s crazy doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Rarely
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MNTIGER
MU
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4/22 19:11:19
I think we have had more impactful injuries, but I am more
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/23 07:44:19
the argument against this is cuonzo's first year.
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 17:31:08
Well Cuonzo is an actual D1 coach
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 17:37:48
listen i'm not debating which is the better coach.
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 17:44:22
And the cupboard was not bare when he left either.
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/22 20:42:13
KA was bad. Just wasn’t bad as a talent evaluator
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 20:51:19
Actually true. The funny thing is that you saw that in KA
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/22 21:07:41
I guess you could make a case that they are the same but
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alwaysright
MU
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4/22 22:04:56
His defense sucks because his team is full of marginal
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/23 08:40:15
His defense sucks because he is not actually a good
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alwaysright
MU
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4/26 20:56:01
RE: listen i'm not debating which is the better coach.
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 17:47:51
yet only a few weeks later
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 18:27:41
this is a very interesting take
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 16:25:46
Made the NCAAs the season after KA left(nm)
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Diamond Dave
MU
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4/22 16:31:12
right? if you completely ignore everything DURING the KA era
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 16:37:36
Its still not. Before Kim we won 23 games in 2013-14
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 17:33:15
that 23 win team was so lightly thought of they lost in the
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Jeff80
MU
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4/22 23:26:45
well that's a compelling response, but i'd counter by saying
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 17:38:56
How many coaches take over a cratered program and are
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/22 20:56:25
But here is the catch
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 17:45:38
That is all true. CM is our second worst in my lifetime
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/22 21:04:12
i don't disagree with any of that (nm)
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 18:29:28
the **** you taking about??(nm)
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TigerA
MU
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4/22 16:20:45
Ok so how is this fixed?(nm)
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DevilsAdvocate
KC
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4/22 15:02:43
MU is not capable of fixing it. They've had 5 chances and
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Jeff80
MU
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4/22 23:31:28
Hire a good coach. That is the only path to having
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 15:18:04
Thanks Mike dbag Alden(nm)
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DevilsAdvocate
KC
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4/22 14:56:21
The panic firing of kim and the panic hiring of cuanzo(nm)
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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4/22 14:48:51
There is a one word reason for both - Porters(nm)
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/22 14:55:07
That is absolutely true(nm)
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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4/22 15:00:19
Even though we made an elite 8 with Quin....
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El Zorro
MU
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4/22 13:37:02
Which is why some on here continue to defend CM, they have
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/22 14:53:51
I think in the Self hypothetical
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 14:37:05
Everyone thought Self would only stay until the OSU job
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MU-TULSA
MU
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4/22 14:36:09
Passing on a coach because he might move on
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 15:19:46
RE: MU bb has 2 monumental program killing blunders this century
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alwaysright
MU
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4/22 13:09:57
That is the 90s though
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 13:17:55
what was mid 2004?
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meatiger
MU
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4/22 13:09:04
Its when Alden/Floyd accepted their infractions and
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 13:13:25
RE: Its when Alden/Floyd accepted their infractions and
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meatiger
MU
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4/22 13:17:00
We accepted all infractions, refuted none (nm)
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 13:26:30
As much as I despise the beakers they know how to play the
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/22 13:36:40
I think it was the cheeseburger Helen Snyder cooked
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doughboy
MU
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4/22 13:29:34
If I recall correctly, MU included infractions that
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 13:42:49
That is the Mike Alden Surrender Immediately Move!
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Fred G. Sanford
U
S
A
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4/22 13:29:24
and outside of those 2 monumental blunders, when MU
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 12:58:48
I'm not sure I even understand the claims pertaining to
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 13:11:03
based on this, he got $375k a year
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TigerA
MU
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4/22 13:17:42
Coaching staff salaries are half our program budget.
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the808bass
MU
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4/22 13:14:07
But if you were to offer $7 million a year could you upgrade
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 13:30:07
Yes to the first. No to the second. You could give Cuonzo
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the808bass
MU
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4/22 14:17:14
Norm was a true son
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 14:23:29
Cuonzo doesn’t have the assistants he has because of budget
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the808bass
MU
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4/22 14:27:34
That doesn’t make it true.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 14:30:55
I don’t know why anyone would argue this point.
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the808bass
MU
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4/22 16:12:17
Unless you know Cuonzo and he’s told you that directly
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 16:20:16
are you saying he wants to hire good assistants, just can't?
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 16:28:33
I’m questioning if he has the money to pay top dollar
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 16:33:34
what he spends =/= what he has available to spend.
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 16:39:23
It’s in his contract
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 16:43:40
it's $1.2M
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 17:27:06
Tennessee alots $1.8 million for the same
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 17:38:52
link? (nm)
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 17:40:19
Kentucky paid $1.6 million just for assistants
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 17:50:06
so no links? (nm)
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 18:28:19
RE: so no links? (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 18:40:02
I could keep going
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 18:38:19
so a link to a tweet speculating about illinois was the
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 19:10:36
I was able to find that information
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 19:15:25
it appears you prefer to just make **** up
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 19:27:26
Didn’t make the financials up
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/22 19:32:10
Or,
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 21:25:39
So you just mistyped? It was $1.1 million when MPS
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/23 07:21:45
no. $1,100,000 plus $110,000 is $1.21 million
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phrejd
MU
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4/23 11:24:06
Gotcha you are including other support staff there
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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4/23 11:52:08
We get it but they gave up before they hired KA. The
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SabertoothTiger
MU
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4/22 12:57:32
Haith was a panic hire after Alden got spurned by Painter...
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Lerxst
MU
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4/22 17:30:40
i think the haith hire was a mistake and a poor hire, but
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phrejd
MU
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4/22 13:01:59
I think, and thought at the time, that the KA hire was a
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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4/22 13:32:06
it was a monumental blunder. We could have hired someone
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SabertoothTiger
MU
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4/22 13:05:57
Assuming your premise to be true, that only further
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 13:00:51
Haith won zero games his last season at MU(nm)
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Ragnar Danneskjold
MU
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4/22 14:49:45
I was referring to reality (nm)
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 15:16:27
we should be a top 25 program no doubt. I don't
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SabertoothTiger
MU
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4/22 13:03:58
True, but to be fair nobody said that about
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 13:07:43
And its all on Mike Alden. He sucked donkey balls when it
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SabertoothTiger
MU
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4/22 12:59:32
Quin's mistake was being the good employee to Alden
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doughboy
MU
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4/22 13:19:24
Definately agree with that
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FIJItiger
MU
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4/22 13:03:00