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Bail and the presumption of innocence are

Posted on: January 7, 2020 at 17:29:46 CT
Iam4Mizzou MU
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mostly incompatible. If we truly believed it, all defendants would be ORd.

There are many concepts in the constitution that are not reduced down to popular phrases, like ‘expectation of privacy’.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffin_v._United_States

So there is a presumption of innocence, but that doesn’t affect bail. It only affects the burden of proof for conviction.

Unfortunately this can mean months or years in jail pre-trial.

Edited by Iam4Mizzou at 17:31:04 on 01/07/20
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Let's hear it for justice reform!!!!! - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 16:27:58
     presumed innocent - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/7 17:03:04
          That would depend upon the facts. Did she steal bubble gum - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/11 01:10:29
          RE: presumed innocent - MOCO SON MU - 1/7 17:26:23
               Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/7 17:31:48
               Politicians shouldn't get that protection - ashtray UF - 1/7 17:31:42
          Gun theft. I said gun. You libs hate guns. (nm) - Lerxst MU - 1/7 17:24:14
          Presumed is the wrong word... - Spanky KU - 1/7 17:20:38
               Bail and the presumption of innocence are - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/7 17:29:46
                    presumed innocent is a catch phrase - Spanky KU - 1/7 17:33:37
                         ok(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/7 17:34:32
                              You find it nowhere in the Constitution..... - Spanky KU - 1/7 17:50:20
          Armed robbery/car jacking with a previous armed robbery - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 17:09:03
               so you want bail reform(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/7 17:15:50
                    Sounds like it doesn't work. - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 17:18:26
                         there isn’t a bail menu(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 1/7 17:22:23
     You may have missed the lecture (from mr blew guys?) about - hokie VT - 1/7 16:57:58
          Your dislike of little girls is really creepy. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/7 17:08:20
          don’t you mean ensure the accused? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/7 17:00:29
               "If they are accused they are guilty" - - Cookie (nm) - ashtray UF - 1/7 17:01:47
          Courts don't give rights (nm) - ashtray UF - 1/7 16:59:00
     they were out on bond. Are you calling for “justice reform”? - pickle MU - 1/7 16:35:51
          Letting a scumbag out on a signature bond when he has a - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 16:49:31
               Crime rates will be reduced and the criminal friendly system - hokie VT - 1/7 17:04:30
                    VA's governor wants to raise the threshold for felony theft - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 17:15:42
                         $1000 is too low. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/7 17:21:32
                              Burglary needs to.be reduced to misdemeanor trespass(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 18:09:10
                              That's a cop's entire paycheck (nm) - ashtray UF - 1/7 17:22:23
                         That would make sense - ashtray UF - 1/7 17:18:09
                              Keep changjng the metric. - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 17:22:29
                                   Damn.. you're right. Let's make it 25 cents for a felony - TigerMatt STL - 1/7 17:25:39
                                   So inflation shouldn't be accounted for? - ashtray UF - 1/7 17:25:20
                                        Or maybe businesses can pay for their security like how it - TigerMatt STL - 1/7 17:26:21
                                             The security at Nordstrom Rack has no authority to stop a - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 18:16:04
                                                  A direct result of the public sector monopoly (nm) - ashtray UF - 1/7 18:18:45
                                                       No. Criminals have been give more rights than victims.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 18:21:53
                                                            Everyone is given the same rights by their creator - ashtray UF - 1/7 18:26:30
                                                                 Whatever - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 18:58:34
                                                                      it was your argument two posts above (nm) - pickle MU - 1/7 19:19:53
                                                                           I wasn't talking about rights granted by a Creator. - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 21:02:03
                                             Well of course that's preferable - ashtray UF - 1/7 17:29:33
                              Texas has it set at $2500 which is more reasonable.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/7 17:21:00
                                   Not if you are a business owner(nm) - tman MU - 1/7 17:41:26
               Maybe if you didn't fill jails with non-criminals - ashtray UF - 1/7 16:57:35
                    Sure. - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 17:04:36
                         That they had more than an ounce of coke? (nm) - ashtray UF - 1/7 17:05:15
                              Yeah, whatever(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 17:10:44
               he was out on bond. Are you calling for “justice reform”? - pickle MU - 1/7 16:50:56
                    He was out on a signature..... - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 16:54:53
                         You said “let’s hear it for justice reform” - pickle MU - 1/7 16:59:22
                              Argumentative pickle is argumentative. (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 17:02:58
                                   so you reacted emotionally - pickle MU - 1/7 17:06:52
                                        No, I don't give a flying fvck about your 2 cents worth. - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 17:10:08
                                             i didn’t give an opinion (nm) - pickle MU - 1/7 17:28:36
                                                  Go pound sand - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 18:22:46
                                             he didn't share an opinion (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/7 17:19:37
                                                  He's asking stupid questions. - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 17:23:23
                                                       what did you mean by “let’s hear it for justice reform”? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/7 17:29:18
                                                            Go pìss up a rope.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 18:19:47
                                                            stop showing your ignorance by asking questions (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/7 17:52:50
                                                                 He wants to argue semantics because he's an ass.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 18:17:14
                                                                      this isn’t semantics (nm) - pickle MU - 1/7 18:50:47
                                                                           RE: this isn’t semantics (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 19:11:33
                                                                                why are you trying to change the subject? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/7 19:22:14
                                                                                     I am not, you disingenuous piece of shìt. - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 20:58:38
                                                                                          yes you were - pickle MU - 1/7 21:09:18
                                                                           Sigh. - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 18:57:45
                                                                      so he's not showing his ignorance? now I'm confused (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 1/7 18:25:30
                                                                           He's an ignorant ass...... - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 18:56:38
                                                                                this was in Georgia, not New York - pickle MU - 1/7 19:21:14
                                                                                     You are such a lying piece of shìt and can't admit when - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/7 21:00:25




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