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Posted on: April 16, 2018 at 08:23:13 CT
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I don't think it's a made up narrative. Dad wanted assurances the ball would be in MS's hands and after 17 starts last year, you just can't make those assurances any more. Writing was on the wall.

As I read someone else explain it, when MS can't break down 260 pound Matt Bullock of Rutgers off the dribble no amount of work with a trainer or new confidence will change his inherent physical limitations.

MS wasn't just struggling as a freshman, he was one of the worst freshmen and players in the BT. He was 161st in Player Efficiency (6.9) in the Big Ten. 121st in Win Shares in the Big Ten. 158th (-1.7) in Box Plus/Minutes (points per possession). His Player Efficiency of 6.9 made him the 35th ranked freshman in the Big Ten. Lucas who is transferring and whose best offer is currently Milwaukee had a Player Efficiency of 11.7.

I truly like the guy and believe anyone can improve. He could be a different player in two years and the vast majority of Illini fans wish him luck. Will he be better in a different offensive system? Perhaps, but I don't think the system matters as much as some would like to think.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/big-ten/2018-stats.html

Edited by tjwheeler at 08:23:48 on 04/16/18
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FWIW Smith thinks he can help recruit Ramey - Mizzou_Fanatic12 MU - 4/16 06:52:29
     This class reminds me of the class of Dixon, - Yosa125 TAMU - 4/16 09:35:41
          Dixon was in a class with Tyler Stone, Jon Underwood, and - FIJItiger MU - 4/16 09:57:39
          Dixon was in the class after Denmon, English and Bowers - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/16 09:47:25
     Smith, Pickett, Ramey, Pinson, Watson... - jlbomega MU - 4/16 08:47:10
          Pickett isn’t a 1 - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/16 08:59:48
               That's part of the issue, I think. - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 09:02:43
                    I trust the staff and we have offers to Ramey and Calixte - Diamond Dave MU - 4/16 09:11:05
                         I don't know as much about Calixte - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 09:19:58
                              Calixte would be eligible as a GT. Smith would have to sit - Diamond Dave MU - 4/16 09:26:42
                                   Mizzou has 2 more scholarships to use (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/16 10:34:53
                                   Yeah, that’s my concern.(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 09:50:44
                         I don't think Calixte is a realistic option anymore(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 4/16 09:14:42
                              OU bound?(nm) - Diamond Dave MU - 4/16 09:18:23
                                   Possibly - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 4/16 09:46:16
          neither pickett or pinson will redshirt - MizzouAstro MU - 4/16 08:48:39
     I'm getting Ramey'd out..you can only recruit a kid so much(nm) - playhard NWMSU - 4/16 08:25:43
          Let me help you. I think you're getting tired of the - Diamond Dave MU - 4/16 08:42:20
               yeah, sure...certainly i would be the Ramey posts over - playhard NWMSU - 4/16 14:47:44
               Exactly(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:46:24
          you putting in a lot of work on it?(nm) - ajpe53 MU - 4/16 08:38:05
          He’s a very big peice - BOILERTIGER MU - 4/16 08:34:26
          Indeed(nm) - Ozark Apple MU - 4/16 08:32:15
          How have we been recruiting a kid too much? - Domino MU - 4/16 08:29:21
          Your timeline is different than his, why would he be in a - itznotwillis MU - 4/16 08:27:51
               I don't have a timeline, either he comes or he doesn't, not - playhard NWMSU - 4/16 08:29:34
                    I highly doubt you really have a clue what is going on (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 4/16 08:34:46
                    What are you talking about? Hand holding? - itznotwillis MU - 4/16 08:31:35
          That and not all our games being on Saturdays(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 4/16 08:31:54
          Wut?(nm) - Domino MU - 4/16 08:00:33
          Martin is struggling to recruit? - MizzouAstro MU - 4/16 07:53:18
               Not whether but why 2017 #4 2018 #42 rivals(nm) - alstl MU - 4/16 13:30:13
               Let's be intellectually honest here. - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:29:43
                    Oh no, not a UIC transfer - hou4mu MU - 4/16 09:45:36
                         That would be great if he could have KR impact. - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 11:08:10
                         I know, he must be terrible.(nm) - Uncle John MU - 4/16 09:55:05
                    it would help if you would be intellectually honest to begin - MizzouAstro MU - 4/16 08:42:42
                         Are you sure the Illini is still considered P5? (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/16 09:11:16
                         What out of these statements isn't true? - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:45:01
                              1. is an inane, irrelevant point - MizzouAstro MU - 4/16 08:47:19
                                   Huh? - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:50:54
                                        he was a transfer from a p5 school - MizzouAstro MU - 4/16 08:52:29
                                             He had 1 P5 offer (Illinois). - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:54:21
                    Last years class was nuts - BOILERTIGER MU - 4/16 08:40:59
                         P5 Impact Players - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:43:06
                              Thats fine, Cuonzo still isnt struggling to recruit(nm) - BOILERTIGER MU - 4/16 09:39:27
                                   Where in my post did I say he was?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 09:47:56
                                        Tou responded in a thread where that was the debate - BOILERTIGER MU - 4/16 10:29:36
                                             ... - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 10:35:19
                    Pickett is questionable, but Watson and Santos were - itznotwillis MU - 4/16 08:39:09
                         I think Watson is a stud. - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:41:21
                              I think Watson is going to surprise many, in a good way.(nm) - sprintcar STL - 4/16 08:45:27
                    And last year's class will be one we don't repeat often - Domino MU - 4/16 08:34:14
                         That's very true. - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:38:56
               It could also be argued that a healthy (and he is) - Diamond Dave MU - 4/16 08:19:34
               Well there you go, not a number one recruit in the bunch...(nm) - tigersfan MU - 4/16 08:01:37
                    Idiots being idiots(nm) - DevilsAdvocate MU - 4/16 08:16:43
     Smith, Watson, and Ramey played on the same AAU squad - Domino MU - 4/16 07:05:38
          I think that entire story was made up by sore Illini fans. - Uncle John MU - 4/16 07:08:37
               Fit - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:23:13
                    Maybe we should have gone after the #2 ranked player who - Uncle John MU - 4/16 08:54:28
                         Okay - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:58:40
                              It was still that he played on a terrible team and out of - Uncle John MU - 4/16 09:12:30
                                   How was he coached poorly? - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 09:22:09
                                   Curious how you know he was coached poorly.(nm) - sprintcar STL - 4/16 09:18:40
                                        I watched most all of the Illini games this year.(nm) - Uncle John MU - 4/16 09:21:51
                                             Okay, what specifically did BU do wrong?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 09:22:27
                                                  He played him out of position in his track meet offense.(nm) - Uncle John MU - 4/16 09:23:29
                                                       He played him at PG and off guard and even tried at wing. - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 09:49:13
                                                            Was Dad on staff?(nm) - Uncle John MU - 4/16 09:55:51
                                                                 No, and thus as the season went on, BU - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 10:32:12
                                                                      Not really because to me anything that happened while he was - Uncle John MU - 4/16 12:01:00
                                                                           Anything from his only year playing P5 is irrelevant? - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 12:03:15
                                                       Fair enough. Thanks. (nm) - sprintcar STL - 4/16 09:36:00
                    Get Smith some confidence and his shot will be fine - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/16 08:34:45
                         Shooting is the best part of his game. I have little doubt - Uncle John MU - 4/16 08:58:57
                         Not sure my post was about shooting mechanics. We'll see(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:39:24
                              Fix his shot, by being consistent and all those efficiency - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/16 08:43:34
                                   His shot was the least of his issues(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:45:27
                                        if you look at how he will be used at Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/16 08:50:33
                                             Again, you're missing the point of my post. - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 08:52:00
                                                  No I get it, Smith struggled as a freshman in BU’s system - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/16 08:58:36
                                                       I'm not sure those projections - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 09:00:10
                                                            you must not have watched Mizzou much - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/16 09:45:16
                                                                 I watched almost every game.* - tjwheeler UI - 4/16 09:50:15
               I think there's some truth to it - Domino MU - 4/16 07:13:27
                    Yup(nm) - Uncle John MU - 4/16 07:42:45




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