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Posted on: July 4, 2012 at 14:40:20 CT
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Pagan water purification rituals were used in the archaic Near East and are written about in the Old Testament. Homer mentions the washing of hands before prayer, and the purification of an entire army with water [Iliad, 1.313].

The Greeks even has priests, kathartai, who specialized in purification with water. After the conspiracy of Cylon in Athens in 632 BC, a fellow named Epimenides of Crete purified the entire city -- with water [Diogines Laertius 1.10.3].

Mithra's followers celebrated the sacrament of taurobolium -- baptism in the blood of a bull, with the result of "Salvation." Pagans at Gerasa celebrated the Maioumas, rites in which women bathed and were purified in a sacred pool outside town.

New members into the Mysteries of Isis / Osiris began their initiation with a sprinkling of purifying waters brought from the Nile. The result of the baptism and initiation? Salvation
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     Christianity is a pagan myth - ashtray USA - 7/4 12:43:07
          Jesus is the Son of God. His coming was foretold - KC-YMCAownsKU MU - 7/4 17:48:50
               A ripping good tale - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 19:13:34
               so your only proof of the existence of Jesus - ashtray USA - 7/4 18:05:17
                    Archeology supports the Bible. Most of those cities - KC-YMCAownsKU MU - 7/4 18:28:20
                         it supports the cities and places - ashtray USA - 7/4 19:20:21
                              The Jewish historian Josephus backs his existence, - KC-YMCAownsKU MU - 7/4 19:47:19
                                   no he doesn't.. - ashtray USA - 7/4 20:00:49
          They are just a bunch of stories folks - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 13:05:04
               So, how do you express your love for - Alferd Packer MU - 7/4 15:33:17
                    By trying to overcome my initial feelings & forgive them - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 15:55:10
                         And, what exactly gives you authority to "forgive" any of - Alferd Packer MU - 7/4 16:20:42
                              I love, I hate. I forgive what are affronts or attacks - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 16:34:20
                                   Evasive. - Alferd Packer MU - 7/4 18:18:02
                                        I forgive all the time there bud, I don't need a diety OK - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 18:56:37
                                             So, if you are ever mugged. - Alferd Packer MU - 7/4 18:59:11
               Jesus never called for pacifism - Nohawks MU - 7/4 13:14:11
                    LOVE YOUR ENEMY - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 13:23:52
                         You realize that these are meant as personal mandates. - Alferd Packer MU - 7/4 15:24:17
                              Existing power were the Pharisees and Saducees - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 15:30:04
                                   Their "power" was within the puppet government of Judea. - Alferd Packer MU - 7/4 15:39:08
                                        You are talking political structure. The Preacher was not - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 15:43:37
                                             No. They were not like the Taliban. - Alferd Packer MU - 7/4 20:29:38
                         All truths. I cant see why you dissent on the issue of Mono- - jonesin - 7/4 13:33:54
                              I kinda leap-frogged Mono-Theism - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 13:39:05
                                   God is Trinity - Nohawks MU - 7/4 14:01:29
                                        You seem pretty attached to Jesus as warrior thing - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 14:32:34
                                             Where do you get warrior thing - Nohawks MU - 7/4 14:46:20
                                                  Jesus not a Pacifist. Takes it a bit far in my book - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 15:00:43
                                                       True 'nuff. According to the Just War theory - Nohawks MU - 7/4 16:25:55
                                        Jesus didn't exist - ashtray USA - 7/4 14:05:09
                                             Wellllllllllllllll, for starters, the NT includes 27 books - *M* KC - 7/4 15:26:04
                                                  so the Bible is your only historic point of reference - ashtray USA - 7/4 16:08:46
                                                  I am sorry. You are incorrect - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 15:35:57
                                                       Only Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, James, - *M* KC - 7/4 15:55:11
                                                            No sir. Those were NOT written by the apostles - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 16:00:13
                                             RE: Jesus didn't exist - jonesin - 7/4 14:44:27
                                                  Sorry only the Baptist is mentioned in Secular texts. - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 15:06:09
                                                       In addition there was a movement at the time called The Way - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 15:07:59
                                                  you mean texts from people who didn't live during - ashtray USA - 7/4 14:47:20
                                                       You are correct Ash, but the movement did exist - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 15:12:34
                                                            you would think a miracle worker would have made - ashtray USA - 7/4 16:12:59
                                                       RE: you mean texts from people who didn't live during - jonesin - 7/4 15:12:20
                                                            there are no records of Jesus being crucified - ashtray USA - 7/4 16:14:28
                                                                 Nor would there have been. - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 16:21:30
                                                                      all the writings during the time - ashtray USA - 7/4 16:48:45
                                                                           Again, there were other "Messiahs" at the time - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 17:18:23
                                                                                and what is the source of that story? - ashtray USA - 7/4 17:25:19
                                                                                     Long time ago, I don'/r recall - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 17:51:22
                                             I disagree - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 14:38:40
                                                  you "think" based on what? - ashtray USA - 7/4 14:42:08
                                                       Not at all - on what I want to be the Truth. I am not a - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 15:03:44
                                                            so by your logic he could have been multiple people - ashtray USA - 7/4 16:11:20
                                                                 Slow down my friend. 12 is the number of tribes of Israel - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 17:09:19
                                                                      12 tribes of Israel... - ashtray USA - 7/4 17:34:35
                                             Where are the other historical texts from that era - Nohawks MU - 7/4 14:24:20
                                                  RE: Where are the other historical texts from that era - ashtray USA - 7/4 14:34:43
                                                       Josephus mentions the Baptist - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 15:16:09
                                                            yes, he mentions the Baptist, - ashtray USA - 7/4 16:12:08
                                                                 Jesus was a minor figure but he REALLY impacted some - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 17:13:24
                                                                      and what is the source of those stories? - ashtray USA - 7/4 17:35:43
                                                                           You preaching to the choir - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 19:03:53
                                                                                according the the only historical documentation, the Bible - ashtray USA - 7/4 19:22:04
          Thanks for that - proof ? nm - Nohawks MU - 7/4 12:55:43
               you can start with virgin births - ashtray USA - 7/4 13:11:10
                    Thanks for settling that but again - no proof - Nohawks MU - 7/4 13:16:25
                         you want the religious text? - ashtray USA - 7/4 13:18:03
                              I don't doubt they exist - Nohawks MU - 7/4 14:03:39
                                   why would Christianity borrow the same stories from - ashtray USA - 7/4 14:06:46
                                        I'd have to check the religions of the past - Nohawks MU - 7/4 14:25:29
                                             baptism - ashtray USA - 7/4 14:40:20
                                                  THAT proves Christianity is a myth - Nohawks MU - 7/4 14:42:47
                                                       no, it doesn't... - ashtray USA - 7/4 14:45:15
                                                            An open minded person would weigh - Nohawks MU - 7/4 16:29:07
                                                                 I don't have "faith" that it's made up - ashtray USA - 7/4 16:51:23
                                                                      But will it last ? - Nohawks MU - 7/4 18:28:34
                                                                           I'm very open minded... - ashtray USA - 7/4 19:30:35
                                                                                There are a variety of reasons why I am a believer - Nohawks MU - 7/4 20:26:50
                                                                                     had you been raised in Kabul - ashtray USA - 7/4 20:46:01
                                                                                          If I was raised in Kabul & exposed to Christianity - Nohawks MU - 7/4 21:18:07
                                                                                               I would put my faith in science, which can be proven - ashtray USA - 7/4 21:25:36
          Been watching zeitgeist again i see - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 12:47:24
               the main argument still stands - ashtray USA - 7/4 12:49:29
                    No it does not - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 12:58:02
                         debunking some of the claims about Horus - ashtray USA - 7/4 13:06:54
                              So you watched what five minutes of the two hour debunking - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 13:13:13
                                   Besides Jesus, Christianity believes in one God - ashtray USA - 7/4 13:25:08
                                        And i suppose those Pagans predicted a people chosen as - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 13:37:31
                                             each culture adopted their own customs and beliefs - ashtray USA - 7/4 13:41:16
                                                  Customs and beliefs my ass - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 13:56:56
                                                       how did that happen? - ashtray USA - 7/4 13:58:09
                                                            There is a reason Christian and Pagan holidays are usually - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 14:09:12
                                                                 not only their holidays - ashtray USA - 7/4 14:43:00
     You are in the vast majority who needs to - GA Tiger MU - 7/4 12:18:32
          Am i part of the 6? - jonesin - 7/4 12:30:31
               Haven't checked you out. But - GA Tiger MU - 7/4 13:13:34
          Suffering from "Old Timer's Disease" with your memory? - Salty Dog MU - 7/4 12:30:22
               It would appear you are saying that if I - GA Tiger MU - 7/4 13:25:12
     "we Christians" please, not "us Christians" Jeez - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 11:22:43
     Always a problem when you apply 15th century - Nohawks MU - 7/4 11:22:06
          And i DO agree with you. Youth is a time of exploring and - jonesin - 7/4 12:01:07
               Begs the question - Nohawks MU - 7/4 12:15:42
                    I believe, as a Christian, that that time comes about - jonesin - 7/4 12:22:06
                         To argue with that & claim to be a Christian - Nohawks MU - 7/4 12:30:28
                              I am not a Christian and I cannot argue with forgiveness - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 12:39:38
                                   RE: I am not a Christian and I cannot argue with forgiveness - jonesin - 7/4 12:43:03
                                        I don't find it necessary - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 13:09:25
                                             Ahh the old Catholic blowback syndrome - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 13:22:49
                                                  Uncle Simpleton steps up to the plate - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 13:24:49
                                                       More like Uncle rocket scientist - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 13:44:58
                                                            OK, got me. Fascist NItwit - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 13:48:07
                                                                 Never could - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 13:59:46
                                        yep, pretty much that part of the mythology - ashtray USA - 7/4 12:47:39
                                             They borrowed heavily from Zoaraster. But I don't begrudge - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 13:10:45
                              Self-reckoning?? You don't understand that principle? - jonesin - 7/4 12:36:43
                                   OK - just haven't heard the term as stated (nm) - Nohawks MU - 7/4 12:41:23
                                        I understand that. Real education is in SHORT supply today. - jonesin - 7/4 12:45:53
                                             ^^^^^like, same to you ^^^^^ nm - Nohawks MU - 7/4 13:04:38
          And some young ones lack beards - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 11:31:26
               You getting off on this Fester ? - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 11:37:19
                    I am finding it somewhat amusing yes - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 11:41:12
                         Whatever get you through the night - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 11:42:13
                              Right back atcha hippie - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 11:47:45
                                   Again with your lurid imagination - raskolnikov MU - 7/4 11:56:25
                                   Well now Uncle, with the news of the day coming - jonesin - 7/4 11:54:18
     General Eisenhower is confused on alot of subjects - Uncle Fester KC - 7/4 11:13:09




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