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Posted on: June 14, 2012 at 10:53:44 CT
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You are making a lot of assumptions about Nestor's role within the program and at the same time are downplaying the role that Leitao had with the success of UConn. Frank Haith is the one who knows these coaches and he made his decision. You would think a 30 win season and a national coach of the year award would get the guy some respect and trust from our fans. I guess not.
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Regarding Nestor leaving, its interesting - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 07:31:13
     RE: Regarding Nestor leaving, its interesting - bobbileedham MU - 6/15 11:00:53
          No, I consider them seperate functions (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/15 11:10:43
     I'm wondering why he left(nm) - alstl MU - 6/14 17:11:22
          RE: I'm wondering why he left(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 17:23:10
     Also, the whole NAVY training thing... Nestor's idea(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 13:05:11
          The Navy Seals "Program" was used by about 200 sports teams - tigersfan MU - 6/14 14:25:03
          he's older than i thought(nm) - Bucknell Bison MU - 6/14 13:44:28
               Very nicely played(nm) - Erwin Fletcher STL - 6/14 13:47:47
               lol(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 13:45:54
     I'm sure Nestor was good - quinsnyderjr MU - 6/14 12:28:09
          Possibly, but less racist (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 13:07:05
          I think it's more of the rumor that we're getting rid of a - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 12:59:25
          It's not that big of a deal. We shouldn't turn it into one. - Uncle John MU - 6/14 12:41:53
               It wouldn't be a huge deal if he had simply left. The rumor - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 13:04:13
                    Asking a coach to do the full duties of his job is worrisome - tgr MU - 6/14 14:55:33
                         So he was hired to recruit last year, but just didn't - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 15:09:51
                         How many times should I ask this question? Why did we hire - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 15:06:25
                              "Why did we hire him in the first place?" - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 15:17:26
                                   "Players get better when they work with Coach Nestor" - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 15:33:32
                                   Exactly, we had no intention of him helping with recruiting - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 15:21:35
                                        Right, everyone had clearly defined roles and expectations - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 15:26:58
                    Hmm.... wonder where a rumor like that could get started?(nm) - tigersfan MU - 6/14 14:11:31
                         Steve Walentik reported it, it did not start on TB. - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 14:13:42
                              First I had heard of it was on here and it seems to - tigersfan MU - 6/14 14:28:43
                                   Here is the source of that position - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 15:10:56
     I'm sorry he's leaving, but he was something like 60 games - MUTGR SEC - 6/14 11:49:58
          agree, he would not be a good option to replace Haith - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 11:55:11
     You gotta be in practice to make that determination - crudup 99 - 6/14 10:42:04
          By what everyone around the program says - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 12:53:35
          I don't have to be in practices to know - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 10:52:59
               Head coach is the coach - crudup 99 - 6/15 01:01:32
               Sounds like you are building an excuse for down the road if - quinsnyderjr MU - 6/14 12:34:04
                    CMA's last year was not a very good team. Same - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 16:05:48
                         Or they were actually coached.(nm) - Erwin Fletcher STL - 6/14 17:25:39
                              I always liked CMA. Sure he could have done - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 17:43:03
                         We barely made the tourney. Weren't we like 4th to last - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 16:20:07
                         Last ranked in the top 15 on Jan 31st poll at #14(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 16:08:59
                              That's surprising. I've tried to forget that year. - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 17:41:46
               Actually you do. You don't have a clue who was doing what - tgr MU - 6/14 10:57:52
                    So we should ignore everything we heard from the players, - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 12:57:27
                         Link me some of these things you have heard.. - tgr MU - 6/14 15:09:20
                              No one is saying he's irreplaceable. But it gets a lot harde - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 15:13:29
                    Yes I do. Because variables were held constant - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 11:23:28
     I think you misunderstood my Nestor v Hammonds post - iDr SEC - 6/14 10:34:11
          I guess the alternative is fold up the program (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 10:47:59
               alternative to moving on? - iDr SEC - 6/14 10:54:31
                    I'm not obsessed about it, I'm providing an offseason topic - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 11:25:51
                         I wish you'd provide a topic that I didn't feel - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 14:45:02
     Somebody has to coach em up - mu7176grad MU - 6/14 10:08:45
     RE: Regarding Nestor leaving, its interesting - Ragarm MU - 6/14 10:05:42
          So it was Fuller or Chew? - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 10:09:18
               RE: So it was Fuller or Chew? - Ragarm MU - 6/14 13:15:32
                    But you just said it like you knew... - Mizzmi27 MU - 6/14 13:28:04
                         RE: But you just said it like you knew... - Ragarm MU - 6/15 07:35:22
               Fuller gameplanned the ku game in Columbia, probably the - tgr MU - 6/14 10:16:04
                    That wasn't a very well played game for us - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 10:45:50
                    Who game planned the ku game in Lawrence. That was - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 10:22:09
                         I imagine it was probably Fuller as well.(nm) - tgr MU - 6/14 10:35:45
          Was he a major contributor to it? - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 10:09:00
     Ok, Quin's teams were bad for many, many reasons. That - RememberQuantrill MU - 6/14 08:35:25
     Stewart never had very good years unless he had two - MakeShift MU - 6/14 08:28:04
          That's exactly right. Norm wasn't a strong recruiter, so - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:29:00
               We don't necessarily need to hire someone who is an - tgr MU - 6/14 09:36:23
                    I agree with most of that. I'm not sold on Leitao though.(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:38:55
                         I don't know how much better we can do than a guy - tgr MU - 6/14 09:41:55
                              Does any of that information prove that he is a great - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:50:04
                                   Compare his resume to Nestor's. I can only go by - tgr MU - 6/14 10:17:01
                                        We aren't trying to hire a head coach - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 10:33:34
                                             Quin would be a good assistant if we were looking for - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 10:38:03
                                             Then we can compare what their teams did when they were - tgr MU - 6/14 10:37:05
                                                  I don't care if he won 5 national championships, if his - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 10:44:02
                                                       And how do you know what his strengths are? - tgr MU - 6/14 10:53:44
                                                            I respect him tremendously, but I question this particular - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 11:28:59
                                                  Are you assuming that Leitao had the same role as Nestor?(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 10:39:47
                                                       Nope. But are you assuming that he didn't have that role? - tgr MU - 6/14 10:46:35
                                                            Our players do, and they seemed to give Nestor quite a - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 11:30:41
                                        What I'm saying is that stuff doesn't matter. - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 10:24:03
                              This guy used to be available - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 09:45:38
                                   Doesn't recruit. Need a coach who can recruit as well.(nm) - tgr MU - 6/14 10:14:01
                                        Disagree, but we will see and I hope I'm proven wrong (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 10:22:32
               Exactly. I'm not trying to make an argument that you need - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 09:33:55
          Not so black and white. Obviously you need talent - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:32:05
     Why do you assume any replacement couldn't coach?(nm) - SuperTone MU - 6/14 08:10:54
          I don't. I just don't know whereas before this development - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:21:04
               So if we don't go 30-5, it's because we lost Nestor? - Dirk Diggler MU - 6/14 08:27:07
                    Nope. But if we don't have superior - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:29:32
                         To give Nestor credit for all that isn't fair to our players - tgr MU - 6/14 08:35:33
                              Nestor shouldn't get all the credit, but to place more credi - iDr SEC - 6/14 10:37:29
                              Agreed. The players we had probably didn't require as - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:25:07
                              Agree with all of that. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:42:11
     What happened the years after John Hammond left? - tgr MU - 6/14 08:06:23
          Pretty terrible too - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:25:47
               Here are 3 stats from Hammond's last year and the two - tgr MU - 6/14 08:49:14
                    Hammond didn't have nearly the same impact as Nestor - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 09:04:15
               Now what was it when Hammond was here? - tgr MU - 6/14 08:31:29
                    Unfortunately, just being honest, I don't have that data - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:35:04
                         You claim that "our coaching fell off dramatically", but the - tgr MU - 6/14 08:40:22
                              Why not? A poorly coached team can't win a game? - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:44:36
                                   And we also averaged more wins and had better offensive - tgr MU - 6/14 08:51:24
          The quality of play declined dramatically almost immediately - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:16:45
               Didn't Hammonds leave the year Keyon went pro... - CJsLover MU - 6/14 09:10:00
                    We also had one of the top recruiting classes coming in with - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:22:29
                         Jason Horton was highly rated as well.. - CJsLover MU - 6/14 09:35:55
                              Keyon was a great player, and a great person, but as - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:44:04
                                   Technically, we were 6 points from the Final Four in what - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 09:48:55
                    Correct on the timing. No disagreement that having - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 09:20:12
                         It's hard to know what impact any particular coach has - CJsLover MU - 6/14 09:45:16
                              Agree. Here is what I do know with certainty though - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 10:00:01
                              We'll have a better idea when we get a chance to watch - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:54:31
                                   Agree and disagree somewhat.. - CJsLover MU - 6/14 10:19:24
                                        I can agree with that. - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 10:27:37
               I don't know about "declined dramatically" but we didn't - mizzou john MU - 6/14 08:29:49
               The records would indicate otherwise. - tgr MU - 6/14 08:23:38
                    For the talent those teams had, those are terrible - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:37:09
                         Some people care more about recruits and stars. They - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:14:26
          That "elite 8 run" was a horribly disappointing season until - mizzou john MU - 6/14 08:09:35
               It still was a lot better than the 18-13 season we had - tgr MU - 6/14 08:20:10
                    You're showing your inability to break down the game - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:10:02
                    that team had 1 player (an incoming JUCO) who was - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:40:58
                         I remember Hafer playing center on that team. Crazy.(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:11:02
                    Agree that the Hammond thing could be totally overrated - mizzou john MU - 6/14 08:22:27
     You forgot #1 offensive efficiency for 2011-2012...nm - MarineinMO USMC - 6/14 08:03:05
          I didn't have the ranking for that in 2005 and 2006 - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:22:10
     John Calipari disagrees. - BLACKnGOLD07 MU - 6/14 07:56:05
          John Calipari has 1 title, and how many years - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:00:46
               That's one more than Mizzou - nm - 90183 MU - 6/14 08:16:54
                    Interesting post coming from someone who claims to be - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:17:11
                         This guy claims to be an MU fan? He is more transperant - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 09:21:19
                              He tried to say he was on the football board once. - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 09:30:50
                                   How embarrassing for him and ku (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 09:32:08
                                        For a good laugh: - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 10:06:30
                                             How embarrassing for humanity (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 10:19:25
                    Mizzou doesn't have WorldWide Wes recruiting for us(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:18:34
               So are we assuming Nestor is the 2nd coming of Wooden? - Dirk Diggler MU - 6/14 08:14:06
                    To a degree, yes. The evidence certainly seems to support - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:19:34
                         Holy sh*t, I hope that is a joke. (nm) - quinsnyderjr MU - 6/14 12:38:22
                         Certainly it had nothing to do with the players - Dirk Diggler MU - 6/14 08:24:43
                              Of course they were a big factor in it. But they for the - FIJItiger MU - 6/14 08:38:05
                    and the last 3 teams he was at weren't world beaters... - SuperTone MU - 6/14 08:16:18
     No question Nestor's departure hurts from a - Erwin Fletcher STL - 6/14 07:40:31
          There is a question to that. We don't know if it will hurt - SuperTone MU - 6/14 08:11:57
               There is truth that we won't know until next season. - Erwin Fletcher STL - 6/14 09:14:17
                    It kind of makes me think that Haith and Fuller may not - BadAsh SEC - 6/14 10:43:25
                         Yeah I have no idea. Just speculating here other than - Erwin Fletcher STL - 6/14 12:38:04




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