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If you don't do everything you can to keep the

Posted on: June 13, 2012 at 12:30:59 CT

alwaysright MU

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best coach in the program around, then you screwed up.
And it sounds like that we not only failed to try to keep him, but we pushed him out the door.

Fuller is a recruiter and the odds are long that he becomes much more than that.
Miller has potential for a lot of things, I guess, but he's not there yet.
Haith may prove to be a good recruiter and a good program manager, but he is not, nor will he likely ever be, a premier strategist or teacher of the game.

It's been noted several times, but this situation has a very high probability or turning out just like the John Hammond situation. And nobody is happy about that.

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Nestor didn't say goodbye to team - thebrave MU - 6/13 11:05:04

RE: Nestor didn't say goodbye to team - FIJItiger MU

- 6/13 11:22:48

Which is undetstandable but... - quinsnyderjr MU

- 6/13 14:57:09

RE: Nestor didn't say goodbye to team - hondo MU - 6/13 13:14:05

Quite an assumption, I think I'll reserve judgement till - tigersfan MU - 6/13 12:32:29

If he was really being demoted, it's not a stretch. (nm) - mizzou john MU

- 6/13 13:28:40

There's that "if"word. I find it hard to believe he was - tigersfan MU - 6/13 15:42:01

and until we see how the new staff performs..... - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:33:41

Why would a guy who was supposedly such a big part - Eggs KC - 6/13 11:33:24

Because someone in his position needs to recruit - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:20:26

I thought we had two of the best recruiters in the - BadAsh SEC - 6/13 12:47:17

average? how does not recruiting at all equal average?(nm) - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:48:17

I'm assuming the person that replaces Nestor - BadAsh SEC - 6/13 13:27:36

So going from nothing to average would be a huge - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 13:39:29

In just recruiting, yet. Unfortunately there's a whole - BadAsh SEC - 6/13 15:40:25

And going from great strategist to non-strategist would be - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:41:46

How is this guy a non-strategist? - tgr MU

- 6/13 14:29:28

We weren't talking about Leitao. - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 14:38:36

Well I'm talking about the likely hire. - tgr MU

- 6/13 14:55:02

They made up for a non-recruiter just fine(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:50:56

And it has been pointed out that they actually didn't. - tgr MU

- 6/13 12:54:51

They have been here for 1 year. You guys are making claims - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:56:08

I never said it was, but you claimed our recruiting was good - tgr MU

- 6/13 12:58:21

Transfers still have to be recruited andd we picked up - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:02:49

Yes, they do have to be recruited. But you cannot contact - tgr MU

- 6/13 13:10:35

Ok, so again I ask. Why did we hire Nestor in the first plac - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:12:28

I don't know the situation surrounding his hire. - tgr MU

- 6/13 13:16:13

He was not hired with any intention of him making any kind - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:18:49

So we got a 4 star w/out ernie? Hrmm.....(nm) - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 13:03:26

Lol, yes, the kid saw we got rid of Ernie and immediately - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:04:41

Well, he obviously didn't commit because he liked - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 13:06:02

Yes, that was never part of anyones argument. - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:08:00

are you sure?(nm) - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 13:08:42

Do we have another recruiter? - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:09:42

So, if another guy can land a 4-star..... - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 13:10:58

Because we should be able to get them just fine with - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:14:59

Average recruiting is good enough for some as long - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 13:02:46

yup. We are already at a competitive disadvantage - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:55:35

So they can't do better? Why not shoot - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:51:18

Who says a recruiter instead of a strategist is going to - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:55:15

Who says it won't? Where do you come up with that?(nm) - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:55:54

I never said it wouldn't.(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:56:43

So then why argue against the move at this point?(nm) - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:58:03

Because we got rid of someone because.....? - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:59:55

We don't know anything about how this will turn out... - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 13:02:21

He didn't kick any important assistants off the team - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:03:52

What do you mean? He didn't retain any assistants - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 13:05:13

So? His staff and his time at Miami was sh*t.(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:07:09

So why hire him in the first place if that's what we wanted? - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:39:11

Keep in mind Nestor has quit his job 4 years running... - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:41:41

You mean the "We told him from the get-go he'd be here for - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:43:51

why don't you believe the demotion part? How many - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:45:22

The degree to which assistants recruit isn't well known by - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:49:38

Ernie never left columbia for recruiting.... - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:50:51

They have been here for like a year and a year in which - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:52:45

Frank Haith has been a college coach for longer than you've - tgr MU

- 6/13 13:00:22

Uh, Nestor was a coach for WAY longer than Haith. - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:05:41

Haith was a coach for 27 years, Nestor for 36 and you have - tgr MU

- 6/13 13:13:26

So nestor has coached longer than haith and that - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 13:06:42

No, he said that someones years coaching means they - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:08:58

He didn't say Haith was smarter or had more experience - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 13:11:50

Yes, I know he didn't say it. His argument implied it.(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 13:13:05

And Haith hasn't done anything to this point to doubt - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:53:34

I don't want to demote assistants that by basically all - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:58:18

Finishing 30-5 and erasing all the questions that initially - FIJItiger MU

- 6/13 12:28:07

I disagree. In today's world, you can never focus - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:32:46

We focused too much on recruiting when Quin was here. - BadAsh SEC - 6/13 13:35:53

No we didn't. - quinsnyderjr MU

- 6/13 15:02:41

We had very good recruiting classes while he was here. - BadAsh SEC - 6/13 15:42:07

How are you so certain that all the success belongs to - tgr MU

- 6/13 12:31:19

Nobody knows how important Nestor is to the program - BadAsh SEC - 6/13 13:39:05

Not all of it does. But I am certain a portion of it does - FIJItiger MU

- 6/13 12:34:59

I wouldn't call getting someone to recruit "no reason". - tgr MU

- 6/13 12:38:13

"no reason" is a flat out lie and you know it.(nm) - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:37:39

Dumb move in my opinion, hope it doesn't come back to - FIJItiger MU

- 6/13 11:37:36

Incredibly dumb move. - alwaysright MU - 6/13 12:04:18

How do you know?(nm) - Ragarm MU - 6/13 12:17:06

If you don't do everything you can to keep the - alwaysright MU - 6/13 12:30:59

RE: If you don't do everything you can to keep the - Ragarm MU - 6/13 13:50:53

Nestor is a teacher and strategist. He is absolutely not - alwaysright MU - 6/13 20:55:03

Haith was the one coming up with the set plays at - SuperTone MU

- 6/13 12:54:35

No he wasn't. - alwaysright MU - 6/13 20:57:35

For some reason, people just want to forget what Haith did - BadAsh SEC - 6/13 22:09:58

I said it all year long. This is nice and fun to watch. - alwaysright MU - 6/14 07:08:28

Explain to me why he sucked at Miami.(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 6/13 15:43:00

So what happens if we replace Nestor with a coach who has - tgr MU

- 6/13 12:37:01

Leitao doesn't give me much hope for some reason.(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 6/13 13:31:56

We would be replacing a well-liked coach with a coach - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:45:56

RE: We would be replacing a well-liked coach with a coach - tgr MU

- 6/13 12:51:35

Instead of listing players he coached and/or recruited, it'd - BadAsh SEC - 6/13 13:33:23

Because he is alwaysright (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 6/13 12:25:26

Because he has a time machine and has been to the future.(nm) - tgr MU

- 6/13 12:20:59

I think it might. Coaching staff chemistry seemed perfect. - thebrave MU - 6/13 11:47:52

Decent chance it works out ok - FIJItiger MU

- 6/13 11:52:58

I agree, we have recruiters - Eggs KC - 6/13 11:40:16

We had one less recruiter last year. So that means our - tgr MU

- 6/13 11:48:10

Fuller may be leaving soon - BLACKnGOLD07 MU - 6/13 11:45:23

Why wouldn't we just wait until he leaves to replace him?(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 12:44:21

I know these guys all have giant egos and want to be a HC - mdoc MU - 6/13 12:24:58

Bullpen catcher would be a nice gig if you can get it (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 6/13 12:26:22

No offense to Fuller, but a migh major hiring him as a - FIJItiger MU

- 6/13 11:49:36

Maybe we'll get a Robert Whaley or Duane John out of - FIJItiger MU

- 6/13 11:44:31

Hopefully Haith learned a thing or two in the short time - TB Tiger MU - 6/13 11:47:58

If we were demoting him wouldn't we have had his replacement - Mizzmi27 MU

- 6/13 11:32:07

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