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It's about prestige in the research field.

Posted on: May 20, 2012 at 15:30:13 CT
tjwheeler UI
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A grant application from someone at Michigan vs someone at Kentucky will be viewed differently. Now, this doesn't speak in universals because it depends on the research histories of the PIs but an established research record at a top tier university (typically AAU) is simply valued more. For all the talk about blinding names/reputations, etc., it does matter.

And, there are other factors. I'm quite sure the University of South Florida can get some NSF grants to study marine issues even though they're not an AAU school.
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this is how it's going to be! - Gardyloo UT - 5/20 10:12:15
     I selfishly want it to stay at 14. I want MU in the club - KINGTIGER KC - 5/20 16:31:56
          I agree. 4 conferences of 14 is better than 4 conferences - BadAsh SEC - 5/20 21:07:39
               The other 65 teams might put up a fuss - Bobk MU - 5/20 21:34:22
                    There's always going to be complainers.(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 5/21 08:49:33
     Or not (nm) - TigerinKansas MU - 5/20 15:39:32
          After the lunacy you posted recently, do yourself a favor & - Gary P. STL - 5/20 16:07:01
     Looks very good! Great setup and logic - Mizz_Tiger MU - 5/20 14:27:25
     I think that's broadly correct - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:17:55
          instead of the floating opponent, just have everybody - dangertim MU - 5/20 15:45:43
     ^^^But Les Miles really does not care for MU, HA! * - MizzouBuickFan MU - 5/20 14:05:31
     I agree, but instead of having semi's, your two divisions - dangertim MU - 5/20 13:19:08
          actually makes sense - Gardyloo UT - 5/20 13:35:04
               Honestly, if the SEC had it's own playoff - BadAsh SEC - 5/20 14:14:59
     That makes no sense, therefore given the direction Missouri - alstl MU - 5/20 12:48:25
          This feels appropriate here: - Gary P. STL - 5/20 16:10:09
          What? (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 13:04:48
               He's feeling ignored again - Merlin KC - 5/20 13:52:07
                    he reminds me of rock888(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 5/20 14:12:12
     BigTen has 4 more slots, including 1 for Notre Dame, and... - etherice MU - 5/20 11:46:08
          Norte Dame and BC are a package deal - jlbomega MU - 5/20 13:17:09
          I can't see UNC, UVA, Duke going to the SEC. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:04:30
               Fine...take 'em. We'll gladly take Va Tech and NC State - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:20:23
                    Sounds good to me. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:37:43
               Where does our resident illini - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:33:47
                    ^^^As BORING as illini sports are, i can see why he is here* - MizzouBuickFan MU - 5/20 14:07:55
                         And, yet, here you are with another hump of my posts. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:29:31
                    I clearly stated it in the post. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:41:00
                         It was a joke - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:42:54
                              hilarious. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:43:42
                                   Enough learning you for now. Im off to troll the nubs board - crudup 99 - 5/20 13:05:08
                                        Clearly, you had no intention of any civil discourse. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:06:50
                                             lol, what a douchey way to phrase it (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 13:11:08
                                                  He responded with insults and didn't even discuss the topic. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:12:32
                                                       Yes, but you talk in a condescending way, which is very - etherice MU - 5/20 13:16:45
                                                            Talk in a condescending way? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:24:18
                                                                 You couldn't possibly dumb it down. You could try not stat - etherice MU - 5/20 13:30:22
                                                                      And, you respond with more insults. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:38:36
                                                                           In reply to your insults, and stupidity... yes. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 13:40:25
                                                                                I said crud up was only interested in insults. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:43:04
               UNC isn't "elite". And Vanderbilt seems to do fine despite - etherice MU - 5/20 12:30:31
                    it was a throwaway line - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:22:52
                         True. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:31:23
                              I have yet to see any actual evidence for the claim - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 15:19:40
                                   It's about prestige in the research field. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 15:30:13
                                        I see no evidence that the athletic conference matters - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 16:03:12
                                             No where in my post did I mention athletic conference. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 16:44:53
                    UNC is the best public academic university in the country. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:42:30
                         They aren't even top 10 - Grasslands MU - 5/20 12:49:15
                              haha. Go look at the rankings of the top public universities - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:51:06
                                   They might make up 5-10 - Grasslands MU - 5/20 12:58:04
                                        What are your criteria? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:00:05
                                             I don't have raw data in front of me, but - Grasslands MU - 5/20 13:11:54
                                                  I'm too lazy to look it up, but - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:16:06
                                                       Agree with most of that - Grasslands MU - 5/20 13:28:30
                         Disagree with that statement - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:45:41
                              UNC is top 10 public, maybe. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:49:18
                              I might put Cal at best. But, Michigan, UNC, UVA are all - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:49:05
                                   Sorry..... UVA is better.(nm) - Tiger@chicago MU - 5/20 12:53:28
                                        Nope. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:54:08
                                             UVA is smaller but is more competitive academically - Grasslands MU - 5/20 13:05:31
                                                  For sure with their law. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:07:28
                                        And Cal. And UCLA. And like 5 others, at least. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:54:00
                                   So you admit you're wrong. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:49:47
                                        He said public, Penn is private(nm) - Grasslands MU - 5/20 12:52:03
                                             True. One of the Ivies is partially public, thought it was - etherice MU - 5/20 12:52:54
                                                  Partially public? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:53:51
                                                       As in receives *some* funds from the state, but very little. - etherice MU - 5/20 13:08:10
                                                            That would in no way make them public. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:11:59
                                                                 OK. I admit I was wrong on Penn. You should do the same on.. - etherice MU - 5/20 13:15:02
                                                                      Except UNC's rank is debatable. Penn being a public school? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:17:30
                                                                           Sounds like someone who can't admit he's wrong... - etherice MU - 5/20 13:20:10
                                                                                UNC's ranking can be debated. Penn being public can't. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:26:18
                                                                                     I was the one that initially pointed out that you were wrong - etherice MU - 5/20 13:34:20
                                                                                          Wrong about UNC? Dude, I said I could be convinced about Cal - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:41:57
                                             It's not even worth a response. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:52:27
                                        What part of my post didn't you read? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:51:44
                                             I read the part that said "UNC is the best public U in the - etherice MU - 5/20 12:53:28
                                                  Yes, I said, I'd give him Cal. Thus, I was retracting the - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:55:07
                                                       And someone who thinks UNC is the best public U, too. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:56:53
                                                            I said I'd give him Cal. I could be persuaded on Cal. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:58:49
                                                                 I realize that the US News and World Report ranking - BB63 MU - 5/20 13:05:44
                                                                      True. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:23:22
                                                                           The ranking is based on undergrad programs. College - BB63 MU - 5/20 13:47:05
                                                                           Illinois... LOL (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 13:35:27
                                                                                Apparently, you didn't see the ;) - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:44:46
                                                                                     I did. I was laughing at what a B10 homer you are... the - etherice MU - 5/20 13:52:52
                                                                                          It was a joke, tough guy. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:58:04
                                                                                     Wisky # 42 (nm) - BB63 MU - 5/20 13:52:21
                                                                                          You're looking at a list of private & public. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:56:56
                                                                                               Yes, and Wisconsin is # 42 overall.(nm) - BB63 MU - 5/20 14:45:17
                                                                                                    Are you suggesting that #42 has anything to do with whether - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 15:05:33
                                                                                                         Of course not...how in the sam hill could you interpret - BB63 MU - 5/20 15:19:11
                                                                                                              Chill? Huh? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 15:34:33
                                                                                                                   You're reading too much into my post. I agree that Wisky - BB63 MU - 5/20 15:55:11
                                                                                                                        Okay. Just confused as to why you kept posting #42 - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 16:46:07
                                                                      USC is private. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 13:07:15
                                                                           True...sorry...will edit. (nm) - BB63 MU - 5/20 13:08:40
                                                                 Either do you. You made an idiotic statement about UNC, and - etherice MU - 5/20 13:00:43
                                                                      UNC's ranking among public institutions can be debated. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:18:24
                                                                           The problem is that NO ONE agrees w/ your side except YOU... - etherice MU - 5/20 13:21:37
                                                                                Then, stick to the topic and debate UNC's merit vs UVA. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:27:07
                                                                                     Debate? You already admitted you were wrong about UNC... - etherice MU - 5/20 13:38:27
                                                                                          No, I said I could be swayed on Cal being ahead of UNC. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:46:02
                              Hey. Stop pointing out facts. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:47:11
                         lol, ok (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:44:47
                              I'm not joking. Are you suggesting otherwise? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:45:37
                                   The problem is that you think you know what you're talking - etherice MU - 5/20 12:48:33
                                        Once again, are you suggesting that Iowa isn't? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:50:13
                                             I'm asking you to prove that Iowa is. I say they're not. - etherice MU - 5/20 12:51:19
                                                  What criteria do you want to use? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:52:09
                                                       School of Medicine. Law. Engineering. Journalism. Business.. - etherice MU - 5/20 12:58:29
                                                            Sorry, but you're wrong. Here you go: - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:38:16
                                                                 Grad schools... - etherice MU - 5/20 13:51:06
                                                                      I used US News Rankings. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:55:21
                                                                           Here you go: - etherice MU - 5/20 13:57:20
                                                                                BTW, those rankings show up before the USNWR rankings - etherice MU - 5/20 13:59:59
                                                                                     You used undergraduate rankings of a different source. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:28:13
                                   I would agree w/ BoilerTiger's reply. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:47:37
               it won't happen unless - AndyTiger MU - 5/20 12:06:10
                    If the B10 is going to take more teams... - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:09:16
                         That would be good. Then the SEC takes Maryland, VA Tech... - etherice MU - 5/20 12:34:57
                              There is enough to make eveybody happy - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:25:23
                              I could see that. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:41:17
                         Not sure UNC can leave until NCSU finds a home - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:16:25
                              it won't be Georgia Tech - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:27:05
                              VT and NC State is best - Mizz_Tiger MU - 5/20 13:58:48
                              Yeah, VA Tech and one of GA Tech, Clemson, or FSU... - etherice MU - 5/20 12:37:18
                                   I was, but the more I think about it - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:38:35
                                        I think they could in time - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:29:24
                              Why? This is news to me. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:19:49
                                   UNC, Duke and NCSU are all closely affiliated in the - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:22:25
                                        Of course. But, that doesn't mean they're obligated to go - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:24:03
                                             Ncst, nc, duke, and virginia were all in a conf with the SEC - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:41:06
                                                  You don't get out much if you think that's true. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:41:50
                                                       Really? Ever hear of the SoCon? - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:44:18
                                                            Prove they're "overrated in sports and books" - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:46:16
                                                                 They prove it all year on espn. And they aint ivy league - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:49:37
                                                                      More name calling and dodging. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:53:14
                                                                           Books. Academics - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:57:46
                                                       Well, it's not like the BigTen wins NC's anymore. How long - etherice MU - 5/20 12:43:09
                                                            He stated: "overrated in sports and books" - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:44:34
                                             Do you think UNC-CH will hit the road if NCSU doesn't - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:29:48
                                                  UNC has zero loyalty to NC State. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:43:20
                                                       NC State is an engineering school mostly - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:33:04
                                                            NC State isn't in the same tier as UNC/Duke. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:37:23
                                                                 OK. I never said that was not the case - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 15:14:50
                                                                      I obviously never said they were a bunch of backward farmers - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 15:38:00
                                                                           I think openly or not the Big 10 and SEC will cooperate - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 16:06:44
                                                                                Agree. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 16:47:46
                                                       zero loyalty? - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:46:44
                                                            Did A&M have loyalty to UT? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:57:37
          Actually, out of those 4, Duke really wouldn't make sense... - etherice MU - 5/20 11:54:22
               the only reason to take Duke would be to get UNC. - AndyTiger MU - 5/20 12:07:00
                    Duke is plenty valuable on their own. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:10:13
                         The SEC cares primarily about football - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:13:24
                              SEC cares about $$$. Period. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:21:02
                                   Duke ranked # 10...Vandy tied for # 17, - BB63 MU - 5/20 13:22:35
                                        True that Vandy is the SEC outlier. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:47:08
                                   Duke wouldn't be 2x better than Vanderbilt. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:38:22
                                        No sh*t - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:39:42
                                             Not virtually the same. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:48:34
                                             Right, was replying to tjwheelers ignorant statement. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:40:25
                                   : SEC cares about $$$. Not just ' Period" & Not so fast ! - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 12:26:28
                                        A core southern identity? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:28:39
                                             Yes. You don't understand-not that I'm surprised - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:40:28
                                                  Nice of you to resort to insults. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 15:39:00
                                                       saying you don't understand is an insult? - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 16:07:42
                                                            I asked a question. What is this "core southern identity"? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 17:00:50
                                                                 look at the profile of the SEC schools - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 17:57:08
                                                                      That is a "core southern identity"? - tjwheeler UI - 5/21 13:26:23
                                                            it is to some people. - BadAsh SEC - 5/20 16:33:59
                                                                 I asked a question. Just waiting for an answer. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 17:02:00
                                                                      I don't know what it is, but I'm also not going - BadAsh SEC - 5/20 20:40:34
                                                                           Another solid contribution then. - tjwheeler UI - 5/21 13:24:37
                                             Which school in the SEC is NOT below the Mason-Dixon?... - etherice MU - 5/20 12:39:30
                                                  Right over your head. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:50:23
                                             If you don't understand something, you can ask but don't em- - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 12:38:59
                                                  You didn't answer the question. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:49:36
                                             The BIG used to have a brand that they were comitted to - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:34:27
                                                  I just asked about the "core southern identity" - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:48:03
                                                  Yep, with Nebraska, BigTen really isn't that elite academ... - etherice MU - 5/20 12:41:36
                                                       IIRC, all but Nebraska are better than Missouri. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:51:01
                                                            Maybe according to your methodology that puts UNC as - etherice MU - 5/20 13:55:43
                                                                 No, based on the vast majority of rankings. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:33:11
          UNC & UVA or VA Tech would be the home run expansion. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 11:49:33
               Any two state schools, one each from VA & NC would fit - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 12:07:10
     Agree on everything, except... - etherice MU - 5/20 11:40:37
          If you did it that way, it would be much easier and - mcduffiedawg2 UGA - 5/20 11:45:39
               You could do 2 perm rivals per school, but then you are - etherice MU - 5/20 11:48:07
                    Some would, it just depends. The key is the schools - mcduffiedawg2 UGA - 5/20 11:50:15
     Didn't confuse me. Here is how I see the cross division - mcduffiedawg2 UGA - 5/20 11:30:06
     I've gotta say, if NCSU and VT are the best we can do - AndyTiger MU - 5/20 11:14:10
          I don't think 'We' are in much of a position to make demands - Gary P. STL - 5/20 15:49:15
          Va Tech was ranked 71st. That ain't bad at all - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:49:59
          Simply not true. Great markets and football culture fits - Mizz_Tiger MU - 5/20 14:16:28
          When did Maryland become strong academically? - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 11:49:36
               AAU member, top 50 ranking. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 11:50:00
                    Alright, so Maryland may make sense - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:00:36
                         They were a slave state, and border Virginia - AndyTiger MU - 5/20 12:04:00
          NCST brings another top 30 media market - tigerboardnoob MU - 5/20 11:17:01
               is NCSU popular though? - AndyTiger MU - 5/20 12:04:49
                    #2 Team in North Carolina - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 17:54:32
     You missed the most important thing, what will happen to the - BeepLikeAJeep MU - 5/20 10:58:23
     they'll never let arKansas into the SEC(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 5/20 10:53:40
     RE: this is how it's going to be! - sasrocks MU - 5/20 10:33:36
          NCSU is a poor football program - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:36:39
               SEC could use some lesser football teams - Beak Breaker KC - 5/20 10:37:34
                    Ding Ding Ding We have a winner folks ! - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 10:39:38
                         As a fan of a university that recently joined the SEC, - BB63 MU - 5/20 15:29:00
                              Lemme smooth the waters - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 16:14:07
                                   I appreciate the effort. - BB63 MU - 5/20 16:27:23
                         Yup, I would rather have Ga Tech over NCSU - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 11:01:32
                              GT burnt that bridge long ago - Gardyloo UT - 5/20 13:33:54
                                   GT applied for readmission around 1970 and was rejected - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:52:46
                    I don't agree with that - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:39:05
                         Right you are, they have to care just not enough to do much - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 10:40:45
                         That was directed at sassy stones above - Beak Breaker KC - 5/20 10:40:29
                              They are both land grant institutions as well I think*** - mcduffiedawg2 UGA - 5/20 11:48:08
                              Oh god yes... Louisville is a terrible fit - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:44:21
                                   Miss Tech, but too many things have changed nm - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 11:36:41
     Doubt It - MizzouView MU - 5/20 10:29:47
          South is much weaker? - BB63 MU - 5/20 10:36:02
          No one team would completely dominate - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:33:37
     Anyone but UNC or UVA seems like a waste to me.(nm) - KINGTIGER KC - 5/20 10:28:22
          Quiet--this is an adult conversation. - Gary P. STL - 5/20 15:58:54
          Va Tech would be good. Solid academics. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 11:41:12
          UNC won't go anywhere without Duke - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:31:59
               I used to think that, too.... - TheDawgfather2 UGA - 5/20 10:43:49
                    the fans are split between SEC and Big 10 - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 15:05:54
                    UNC part of Old Southern League, homecoming ? - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 11:46:59
                    nm - etherice MU - 5/20 11:34:01
                    IMO, the BIG would love to take Duke and UNC - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:47:47
                         I'm sure Duke would go to the B1G.... - TheDawgfather2 UGA - 5/20 10:50:59
                              Syracuse surrendered their AAU membership - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 15:08:05
                              I agree but not because of Duke's bad FB program - Tgr83 MU - 5/20 11:00:45
                                   I really don't like Syracuse - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 11:05:49
                                        Doesn't matter... - TheDawgfather2 UGA - 5/20 11:55:13
                              Duke is god awful at football - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 11:00:08
                                   Syracuse offers the same thing in a bigger market.** - TheDawgfather2 UGA - 5/20 11:04:52
                                        The issue the BIG really has right now - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 11:13:33
                                             Your degree isn't going to be more or less valuable - TheDawgfather2 UGA - 5/20 11:52:25
     I like the way you think... - BB63 MU - 5/20 10:25:09
     This is what I see as well.. - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:24:47
     Wouldn't surprise me at all(nm) - Merlin KC - 5/20 10:24:09
          This would lead to an epic TV contract - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:26:44
     that's cool. only ooc game is the nc game, correct? - TheRealist MU - 5/20 10:22:32




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