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Posted on: May 20, 2012 at 15:29:00 CT
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your statement could be interpreted that you feel that Mizzou is cannon fodder, and would be resented.

The ACC is down, and I don't want to kick anyone when they're down, unless they've done something to deserve it, like kU. ISU, K-St., and Baylor are quickly becoming deserving, based on their fan's smack talk against MU.
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this is how it's going to be! - Gardyloo UT - 5/20 10:12:15
     I selfishly want it to stay at 14. I want MU in the club - KINGTIGER KC - 5/20 16:31:56
          I agree. 4 conferences of 14 is better than 4 conferences - BadAsh SEC - 5/20 21:07:39
               The other 65 teams might put up a fuss - Bobk MU - 5/20 21:34:22
                    There's always going to be complainers.(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 5/21 08:49:33
     Or not (nm) - TigerinKansas MU - 5/20 15:39:32
          After the lunacy you posted recently, do yourself a favor & - Gary P. STL - 5/20 16:07:01
     Looks very good! Great setup and logic - Mizz_Tiger MU - 5/20 14:27:25
     I think that's broadly correct - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:17:55
          instead of the floating opponent, just have everybody - dangertim MU - 5/20 15:45:43
     ^^^But Les Miles really does not care for MU, HA! * - MizzouBuickFan MU - 5/20 14:05:31
     I agree, but instead of having semi's, your two divisions - dangertim MU - 5/20 13:19:08
          actually makes sense - Gardyloo UT - 5/20 13:35:04
               Honestly, if the SEC had it's own playoff - BadAsh SEC - 5/20 14:14:59
     That makes no sense, therefore given the direction Missouri - alstl MU - 5/20 12:48:25
          This feels appropriate here: - Gary P. STL - 5/20 16:10:09
          What? (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 13:04:48
               He's feeling ignored again - Merlin KC - 5/20 13:52:07
                    he reminds me of rock888(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 5/20 14:12:12
     BigTen has 4 more slots, including 1 for Notre Dame, and... - etherice MU - 5/20 11:46:08
          Norte Dame and BC are a package deal - jlbomega MU - 5/20 13:17:09
          I can't see UNC, UVA, Duke going to the SEC. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:04:30
               Fine...take 'em. We'll gladly take Va Tech and NC State - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:20:23
                    Sounds good to me. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:37:43
               Where does our resident illini - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:33:47
                    ^^^As BORING as illini sports are, i can see why he is here* - MizzouBuickFan MU - 5/20 14:07:55
                         And, yet, here you are with another hump of my posts. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:29:31
                    I clearly stated it in the post. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:41:00
                         It was a joke - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:42:54
                              hilarious. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:43:42
                                   Enough learning you for now. Im off to troll the nubs board - crudup 99 - 5/20 13:05:08
                                        Clearly, you had no intention of any civil discourse. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:06:50
                                             lol, what a douchey way to phrase it (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 13:11:08
                                                  He responded with insults and didn't even discuss the topic. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:12:32
                                                       Yes, but you talk in a condescending way, which is very - etherice MU - 5/20 13:16:45
                                                            Talk in a condescending way? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:24:18
                                                                 You couldn't possibly dumb it down. You could try not stat - etherice MU - 5/20 13:30:22
                                                                      And, you respond with more insults. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:38:36
                                                                           In reply to your insults, and stupidity... yes. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 13:40:25
                                                                                I said crud up was only interested in insults. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:43:04
               UNC isn't "elite". And Vanderbilt seems to do fine despite - etherice MU - 5/20 12:30:31
                    it was a throwaway line - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:22:52
                         True. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:31:23
                              I have yet to see any actual evidence for the claim - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 15:19:40
                                   It's about prestige in the research field. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 15:30:13
                                        I see no evidence that the athletic conference matters - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 16:03:12
                                             No where in my post did I mention athletic conference. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 16:44:53
                    UNC is the best public academic university in the country. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:42:30
                         They aren't even top 10 - Grasslands MU - 5/20 12:49:15
                              haha. Go look at the rankings of the top public universities - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:51:06
                                   They might make up 5-10 - Grasslands MU - 5/20 12:58:04
                                        What are your criteria? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:00:05
                                             I don't have raw data in front of me, but - Grasslands MU - 5/20 13:11:54
                                                  I'm too lazy to look it up, but - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:16:06
                                                       Agree with most of that - Grasslands MU - 5/20 13:28:30
                         Disagree with that statement - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:45:41
                              UNC is top 10 public, maybe. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:49:18
                              I might put Cal at best. But, Michigan, UNC, UVA are all - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:49:05
                                   Sorry..... UVA is better.(nm) - Tiger@chicago MU - 5/20 12:53:28
                                        Nope. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:54:08
                                             UVA is smaller but is more competitive academically - Grasslands MU - 5/20 13:05:31
                                                  For sure with their law. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:07:28
                                        And Cal. And UCLA. And like 5 others, at least. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:54:00
                                   So you admit you're wrong. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:49:47
                                        He said public, Penn is private(nm) - Grasslands MU - 5/20 12:52:03
                                             True. One of the Ivies is partially public, thought it was - etherice MU - 5/20 12:52:54
                                                  Partially public? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:53:51
                                                       As in receives *some* funds from the state, but very little. - etherice MU - 5/20 13:08:10
                                                            That would in no way make them public. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:11:59
                                                                 OK. I admit I was wrong on Penn. You should do the same on.. - etherice MU - 5/20 13:15:02
                                                                      Except UNC's rank is debatable. Penn being a public school? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:17:30
                                                                           Sounds like someone who can't admit he's wrong... - etherice MU - 5/20 13:20:10
                                                                                UNC's ranking can be debated. Penn being public can't. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:26:18
                                                                                     I was the one that initially pointed out that you were wrong - etherice MU - 5/20 13:34:20
                                                                                          Wrong about UNC? Dude, I said I could be convinced about Cal - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:41:57
                                             It's not even worth a response. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:52:27
                                        What part of my post didn't you read? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:51:44
                                             I read the part that said "UNC is the best public U in the - etherice MU - 5/20 12:53:28
                                                  Yes, I said, I'd give him Cal. Thus, I was retracting the - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:55:07
                                                       And someone who thinks UNC is the best public U, too. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:56:53
                                                            I said I'd give him Cal. I could be persuaded on Cal. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:58:49
                                                                 I realize that the US News and World Report ranking - BB63 MU - 5/20 13:05:44
                                                                      True. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:23:22
                                                                           The ranking is based on undergrad programs. College - BB63 MU - 5/20 13:47:05
                                                                           Illinois... LOL (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 13:35:27
                                                                                Apparently, you didn't see the ;) - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:44:46
                                                                                     I did. I was laughing at what a B10 homer you are... the - etherice MU - 5/20 13:52:52
                                                                                          It was a joke, tough guy. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:58:04
                                                                                     Wisky # 42 (nm) - BB63 MU - 5/20 13:52:21
                                                                                          You're looking at a list of private & public. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:56:56
                                                                                               Yes, and Wisconsin is # 42 overall.(nm) - BB63 MU - 5/20 14:45:17
                                                                                                    Are you suggesting that #42 has anything to do with whether - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 15:05:33
                                                                                                         Of course not...how in the sam hill could you interpret - BB63 MU - 5/20 15:19:11
                                                                                                              Chill? Huh? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 15:34:33
                                                                                                                   You're reading too much into my post. I agree that Wisky - BB63 MU - 5/20 15:55:11
                                                                                                                        Okay. Just confused as to why you kept posting #42 - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 16:46:07
                                                                      USC is private. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 13:07:15
                                                                           True...sorry...will edit. (nm) - BB63 MU - 5/20 13:08:40
                                                                 Either do you. You made an idiotic statement about UNC, and - etherice MU - 5/20 13:00:43
                                                                      UNC's ranking among public institutions can be debated. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:18:24
                                                                           The problem is that NO ONE agrees w/ your side except YOU... - etherice MU - 5/20 13:21:37
                                                                                Then, stick to the topic and debate UNC's merit vs UVA. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:27:07
                                                                                     Debate? You already admitted you were wrong about UNC... - etherice MU - 5/20 13:38:27
                                                                                          No, I said I could be swayed on Cal being ahead of UNC. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:46:02
                              Hey. Stop pointing out facts. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:47:11
                         lol, ok (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:44:47
                              I'm not joking. Are you suggesting otherwise? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:45:37
                                   The problem is that you think you know what you're talking - etherice MU - 5/20 12:48:33
                                        Once again, are you suggesting that Iowa isn't? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:50:13
                                             I'm asking you to prove that Iowa is. I say they're not. - etherice MU - 5/20 12:51:19
                                                  What criteria do you want to use? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:52:09
                                                       School of Medicine. Law. Engineering. Journalism. Business.. - etherice MU - 5/20 12:58:29
                                                            Sorry, but you're wrong. Here you go: - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:38:16
                                                                 Grad schools... - etherice MU - 5/20 13:51:06
                                                                      I used US News Rankings. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:55:21
                                                                           Here you go: - etherice MU - 5/20 13:57:20
                                                                                BTW, those rankings show up before the USNWR rankings - etherice MU - 5/20 13:59:59
                                                                                     You used undergraduate rankings of a different source. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:28:13
                                   I would agree w/ BoilerTiger's reply. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:47:37
               it won't happen unless - AndyTiger MU - 5/20 12:06:10
                    If the B10 is going to take more teams... - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:09:16
                         That would be good. Then the SEC takes Maryland, VA Tech... - etherice MU - 5/20 12:34:57
                              There is enough to make eveybody happy - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:25:23
                              I could see that. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:41:17
                         Not sure UNC can leave until NCSU finds a home - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:16:25
                              it won't be Georgia Tech - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:27:05
                              VT and NC State is best - Mizz_Tiger MU - 5/20 13:58:48
                              Yeah, VA Tech and one of GA Tech, Clemson, or FSU... - etherice MU - 5/20 12:37:18
                                   I was, but the more I think about it - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:38:35
                                        I think they could in time - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:29:24
                              Why? This is news to me. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:19:49
                                   UNC, Duke and NCSU are all closely affiliated in the - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:22:25
                                        Of course. But, that doesn't mean they're obligated to go - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:24:03
                                             Ncst, nc, duke, and virginia were all in a conf with the SEC - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:41:06
                                                  You don't get out much if you think that's true. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:41:50
                                                       Really? Ever hear of the SoCon? - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:44:18
                                                            Prove they're "overrated in sports and books" - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:46:16
                                                                 They prove it all year on espn. And they aint ivy league - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:49:37
                                                                      More name calling and dodging. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:53:14
                                                                           Books. Academics - crudup 99 - 5/20 12:57:46
                                                       Well, it's not like the BigTen wins NC's anymore. How long - etherice MU - 5/20 12:43:09
                                                            He stated: "overrated in sports and books" - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:44:34
                                             Do you think UNC-CH will hit the road if NCSU doesn't - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:29:48
                                                  UNC has zero loyalty to NC State. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:43:20
                                                       NC State is an engineering school mostly - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:33:04
                                                            NC State isn't in the same tier as UNC/Duke. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:37:23
                                                                 OK. I never said that was not the case - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 15:14:50
                                                                      I obviously never said they were a bunch of backward farmers - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 15:38:00
                                                                           I think openly or not the Big 10 and SEC will cooperate - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 16:06:44
                                                                                Agree. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 16:47:46
                                                       zero loyalty? - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:46:44
                                                            Did A&M have loyalty to UT? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:57:37
          Actually, out of those 4, Duke really wouldn't make sense... - etherice MU - 5/20 11:54:22
               the only reason to take Duke would be to get UNC. - AndyTiger MU - 5/20 12:07:00
                    Duke is plenty valuable on their own. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:10:13
                         The SEC cares primarily about football - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:13:24
                              SEC cares about $$$. Period. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:21:02
                                   Duke ranked # 10...Vandy tied for # 17, - BB63 MU - 5/20 13:22:35
                                        True that Vandy is the SEC outlier. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:47:08
                                   Duke wouldn't be 2x better than Vanderbilt. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:38:22
                                        No sh*t - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:39:42
                                             Not virtually the same. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:48:34
                                             Right, was replying to tjwheelers ignorant statement. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 12:40:25
                                   : SEC cares about $$$. Not just ' Period" & Not so fast ! - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 12:26:28
                                        A core southern identity? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 12:28:39
                                             Yes. You don't understand-not that I'm surprised - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:40:28
                                                  Nice of you to resort to insults. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 15:39:00
                                                       saying you don't understand is an insult? - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 16:07:42
                                                            I asked a question. What is this "core southern identity"? - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 17:00:50
                                                                 look at the profile of the SEC schools - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 17:57:08
                                                                      That is a "core southern identity"? - tjwheeler UI - 5/21 13:26:23
                                                            it is to some people. - BadAsh SEC - 5/20 16:33:59
                                                                 I asked a question. Just waiting for an answer. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 17:02:00
                                                                      I don't know what it is, but I'm also not going - BadAsh SEC - 5/20 20:40:34
                                                                           Another solid contribution then. - tjwheeler UI - 5/21 13:24:37
                                             Which school in the SEC is NOT below the Mason-Dixon?... - etherice MU - 5/20 12:39:30
                                                  Right over your head. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:50:23
                                             If you don't understand something, you can ask but don't em- - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 12:38:59
                                                  You didn't answer the question. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:49:36
                                             The BIG used to have a brand that they were comitted to - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:34:27
                                                  I just asked about the "core southern identity" - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:48:03
                                                  Yep, with Nebraska, BigTen really isn't that elite academ... - etherice MU - 5/20 12:41:36
                                                       IIRC, all but Nebraska are better than Missouri. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 13:51:01
                                                            Maybe according to your methodology that puts UNC as - etherice MU - 5/20 13:55:43
                                                                 No, based on the vast majority of rankings. - tjwheeler UI - 5/20 14:33:11
          UNC & UVA or VA Tech would be the home run expansion. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 11:49:33
               Any two state schools, one each from VA & NC would fit - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 12:07:10
     Agree on everything, except... - etherice MU - 5/20 11:40:37
          If you did it that way, it would be much easier and - mcduffiedawg2 UGA - 5/20 11:45:39
               You could do 2 perm rivals per school, but then you are - etherice MU - 5/20 11:48:07
                    Some would, it just depends. The key is the schools - mcduffiedawg2 UGA - 5/20 11:50:15
     Didn't confuse me. Here is how I see the cross division - mcduffiedawg2 UGA - 5/20 11:30:06
     I've gotta say, if NCSU and VT are the best we can do - AndyTiger MU - 5/20 11:14:10
          I don't think 'We' are in much of a position to make demands - Gary P. STL - 5/20 15:49:15
          Va Tech was ranked 71st. That ain't bad at all - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:49:59
          Simply not true. Great markets and football culture fits - Mizz_Tiger MU - 5/20 14:16:28
          When did Maryland become strong academically? - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 11:49:36
               AAU member, top 50 ranking. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 11:50:00
                    Alright, so Maryland may make sense - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 12:00:36
                         They were a slave state, and border Virginia - AndyTiger MU - 5/20 12:04:00
          NCST brings another top 30 media market - tigerboardnoob MU - 5/20 11:17:01
               is NCSU popular though? - AndyTiger MU - 5/20 12:04:49
                    #2 Team in North Carolina - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 17:54:32
     You missed the most important thing, what will happen to the - BeepLikeAJeep MU - 5/20 10:58:23
     they'll never let arKansas into the SEC(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 5/20 10:53:40
     RE: this is how it's going to be! - sasrocks MU - 5/20 10:33:36
          NCSU is a poor football program - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:36:39
               SEC could use some lesser football teams - Beak Breaker KC - 5/20 10:37:34
                    Ding Ding Ding We have a winner folks ! - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 10:39:38
                         As a fan of a university that recently joined the SEC, - BB63 MU - 5/20 15:29:00
                              Lemme smooth the waters - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 16:14:07
                                   I appreciate the effort. - BB63 MU - 5/20 16:27:23
                         Yup, I would rather have Ga Tech over NCSU - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 11:01:32
                              GT burnt that bridge long ago - Gardyloo UT - 5/20 13:33:54
                                   GT applied for readmission around 1970 and was rejected - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 14:52:46
                    I don't agree with that - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:39:05
                         Right you are, they have to care just not enough to do much - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 10:40:45
                         That was directed at sassy stones above - Beak Breaker KC - 5/20 10:40:29
                              They are both land grant institutions as well I think*** - mcduffiedawg2 UGA - 5/20 11:48:08
                              Oh god yes... Louisville is a terrible fit - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:44:21
                                   Miss Tech, but too many things have changed nm - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 11:36:41
     Doubt It - MizzouView MU - 5/20 10:29:47
          South is much weaker? - BB63 MU - 5/20 10:36:02
          No one team would completely dominate - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:33:37
     Anyone but UNC or UVA seems like a waste to me.(nm) - KINGTIGER KC - 5/20 10:28:22
          Quiet--this is an adult conversation. - Gary P. STL - 5/20 15:58:54
          Va Tech would be good. Solid academics. (nm) - etherice MU - 5/20 11:41:12
          UNC won't go anywhere without Duke - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:31:59
               I used to think that, too.... - TheDawgfather2 UGA - 5/20 10:43:49
                    the fans are split between SEC and Big 10 - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 15:05:54
                    UNC part of Old Southern League, homecoming ? - GeoTiger AU - 5/20 11:46:59
                    nm - etherice MU - 5/20 11:34:01
                    IMO, the BIG would love to take Duke and UNC - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:47:47
                         I'm sure Duke would go to the B1G.... - TheDawgfather2 UGA - 5/20 10:50:59
                              Syracuse surrendered their AAU membership - HungaryGator UF - 5/20 15:08:05
                              I agree but not because of Duke's bad FB program - Tgr83 MU - 5/20 11:00:45
                                   I really don't like Syracuse - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 11:05:49
                                        Doesn't matter... - TheDawgfather2 UGA - 5/20 11:55:13
                              Duke is god awful at football - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 11:00:08
                                   Syracuse offers the same thing in a bigger market.** - TheDawgfather2 UGA - 5/20 11:04:52
                                        The issue the BIG really has right now - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 11:13:33
                                             Your degree isn't going to be more or less valuable - TheDawgfather2 UGA - 5/20 11:52:25
     I like the way you think... - BB63 MU - 5/20 10:25:09
     This is what I see as well.. - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:24:47
     Wouldn't surprise me at all(nm) - Merlin KC - 5/20 10:24:09
          This would lead to an epic TV contract - BOILERTIGER MU - 5/20 10:26:44
     that's cool. only ooc game is the nc game, correct? - TheRealist MU - 5/20 10:22:32




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