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Yes.. it removes performance from the criteria for keeping

Posted on: May 17, 2012 at 13:47:53 CT
Spanky KU
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their job. CA (as does every stste) lays off teachers based on tenure, not performance
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A trend that happens in all countries. - GA Tiger MU - 5/17 08:22:25
     Walkers call for END to collective bargaining - hardly tiny - raskolnikov MU - 5/17 13:03:46
     Govt as enemy - effective argument for stupid people - raskolnikov MU - 5/17 12:58:56
     So teachers, firemen, and police are lazy and overpaid? - KCNorthSider85 KC - 5/17 12:14:30
          That is SO demlib. - GA Tiger MU - 5/17 12:56:48
               It's extreme to disagree with Ann Coulter? - KCNorthSider85 KC - 5/17 15:16:54
               Stop Whining - raskolnikov MU - 5/17 13:02:14
          Many, many teachers are... Get rid of tenure - Spanky KU - 5/17 12:32:04
               "Many many teachers are" - KCNorthSider85 KC - 5/17 15:17:38
                    I can't remember the last time I picked up a paper - Spanky KU - 5/17 15:26:23
                         Listen I'm not saying there are no lazy teachers - KCNorthSider85 KC - 5/17 15:27:43
               Guess you don't understand tenuire, huh? - raskolnikov MU - 5/17 13:04:49
                    Yes.. it removes performance from the criteria for keeping - Spanky KU - 5/17 13:47:53
                         You do realize that's not at all what tenure is - KCNorthSider85 KC - 5/17 15:22:25
                              It means you cannot be fired.... - Spanky KU - 5/17 15:28:28
                                   Also, new inexperienced teachers are much cheaper than - KCNorthSider85 KC - 5/17 15:34:39
                                   No you can be fired. It's more of a process in that case - KCNorthSider85 KC - 5/17 15:31:53
                                        It takes an act of God to fire a teacher - Spanky KU - 5/17 18:25:08
                                             Personally I've known 2. Not a huge sample size I realize - KCNorthSider85 KC - 5/17 19:07:59
                                                  Out of how many teachers? Bet that is less than .1% - Spanky KU - 5/17 19:41:30
                              The school must provide a good reason for termination(nm) - KCNorthSider85 KC - 5/17 15:28:28
     You know, you might have a point if - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 09:03:55
          Disproportionately? I want figures on that.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 5/17 09:36:03
               You want Doc to provide figures?? - Salty Dog MU - 5/17 10:23:32
                    It's not so much figures as a definition - Spanky KU - 5/17 11:36:27
                         Except that's not what I said, and I already explained that - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 13:15:56
                              It s precisely what you said - Spanky KU - 5/17 13:52:25
                                   I already answered this - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 14:36:10
                                        No-one in the world (except you) belives the CA economy - Spanky KU - 5/17 18:12:42
                         Just as I stated below - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 11:57:39
                              So now you measure efficiency by whether or not - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 13:18:24
                         Doc seems to have trouble with word meaning. But then - GA Tiger MU - 5/17 11:38:33
                              Ummm...speaking of "redefining language" - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 11:58:47
                                   Since I define the words I coin - JG MU - 5/17 12:22:11
                                   ???????(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 5/17 12:01:50
                                        Ooops, Meant for JG below - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 12:06:15
                              Gatiny(nm) - JG MU - 5/17 11:39:37
                    I jest. I'm such a kidder.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 5/17 10:57:39
               It's amazing what I consider widely accepted fact that you - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 09:37:19
                    Because your facts are not widely accepted, Doc - Spanky KU - 5/17 11:37:43
                         Republicaniny - JG MU - 5/17 11:56:33
                              JGiny - Alferd Packer MU - 5/17 12:26:47
          LInk? - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 09:14:43
               You must be as naive as GAT thinking Doc would actually... - Salty Dog MU - 5/17 10:27:05
                    I'm sure its an ad hom attack to point out the extreme - JG MU - 5/17 12:31:18
                    What I find odd - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 10:37:41
                         Except I don't base my case on anecdotes - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 10:42:11
                              You just did, citing all your professor friends that make - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 11:05:10
                                   Also, I never said anecdotes have no value at all, only that - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 13:15:07
                                   All the ones that I know are at the top of their field - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 12:55:29
                              I have four words for you, Doc... - Salty Dog MU - 5/17 11:02:00
                                   How is that based on anecdotes? - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 13:38:24
               Here's a nice CBO analysis of the issue - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 09:36:45
                    The big problem with this study - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 09:46:05
                         Well, do you have something to indicate - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 09:50:41
                              Yes...the Debt Clock - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 10:02:28
                                   Profit and loss is not efficiency - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 10:17:47
                                        RE: Profit and loss is not efficiency - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 10:27:38
                                             Well considering I pay them to deliver that junk mail - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 10:37:01
                                                  How do you pay for that? - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 11:00:29
                                                       Umm, business revenue(nm) - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 12:53:28
                    I would also speak anecdotally, since you like that so much - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 09:44:29
                         Paid considerably less, but work considerably less - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 09:53:59
                              That's just entirely fabricated - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 10:26:50
                                   I realize they don't pocket grants - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 10:36:46
                                        Oh wow, that's just completely at odds with everything - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 10:41:22
                                             PhDs "make half a private sector salary" ? - Mizzou Lou KC - 5/17 11:02:46
                                                  I just told you, didn't you read?(nm) - Doc_Nice MU - 5/17 12:53:02




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