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Without an expectation of privacy the 4th isn't violated

Posted on: May 6, 2012 at 20:32:06 CT
Mo Texan MU
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Obviously anyone choosing to travel by air knows full well that privacy as it relates to ones person and/or personal items doesn't exist - thus there is no violation of the 4th amendment. Can the manner and degree of the process be improved upon - yes, but giving up the security of many because it's an inconvenience to some is foolish.
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Fight Back Against the TSA - ashtray USA - 5/6 19:43:23
     ^^paranoid style kookery - Gadfly MU - 5/6 20:58:31
     I'll sign the damn petition. Thats the kind of thing - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:19:05
     Just one question. Why? - ArnoldBabar MU - 5/6 20:17:56
          Why? They're basically useless drones, functioning like - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:21:31
               what good does it do to cause a scene - Sal KC - 5/6 20:59:25
                    None. Next question?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 21:02:52
               Again, how does this affect you? Do they search your - ArnoldBabar MU - 5/6 20:22:16
                    It won't affect me - when I stop paying taxes.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:22:58
                         Not having income is your way of sticking it to the man? - ArnoldBabar MU - 5/6 20:23:58
                              That absurd connection is one you made, not me. - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:27:54
                                   LOL. (nm) - ArnoldBabar MU - 5/6 20:28:10
     Nobody loves the TSA... - tigerdb MU - 5/6 20:04:14
          TSA is completely unnecessary - JG MU - 5/7 09:26:33
          Profile the hell out of people and save billions. It - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:25:01
               Then you'd let the next Timothy Mcveigh board a plane(nm) - tigerdb MU - 5/6 20:36:50
                    Probably. If I remember he - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:39:42
                    I think the metal detectors are sufficient to catch - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:39:31
          so you are willing to trade liberty for security - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:08:50
               arabs liberty? sure - SoCalTigr UM - 5/6 21:48:38
                    they screen you the same way... - ashtray USA - 5/6 22:00:01
                         I'm OK with that - SoCalTigr UM - 5/6 22:31:56
                              yeah, but you enjoy men grabbing your nuts - ashtray USA - 5/6 22:42:02
                                   You and no one you know has ever had their nuts - ArnoldBabar MU - 5/6 22:55:20
                                        well, as a matter of fact, I have... - ashtray USA - 5/7 12:34:19
                                        fester had his nuts grabbed by crocodile dundee back in the - SoCalTigr UM - 5/6 23:57:50
               MAN COMEON. IT'S A FRIGGIN AIRPLANE... - kbit MU - 5/6 21:47:18
                    and it isn't safe not to grab everyone's testicles? - ashtray USA - 5/6 22:00:58
                         you just cannot possibly believe those stories... - kbit MU - 5/6 22:47:25
                              what stories? - ashtray USA - 5/7 12:35:17
               You have liberty - if you don't want to be screened, - tigerdb MU - 5/6 20:11:48
                    but they are outside the airport also(nm) - BleedBlack&Gold MU - 5/6 20:37:03
                    It is also a clear violation of the 4th Amendment - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:17:12
                         Where in the 4th Amendment does it state that one has the - tigerdb MU - 5/6 20:34:52
                              it states that we have the right to not be subjected to - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:36:07
                                   Note the letters "un" in front of reasonable. Therein - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:40:45
                                        which groping of the testicles is "unreasonable" - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:41:29
                                             Today, half of what the gov't does is unreasonable. - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:44:23
                                                  physical assault without any cause or provocation - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:47:47
                                                       And nearly always accepted with cause, - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:53:39
                                                            and there is no cause to escalate the invasiveness of the - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:55:49
                                   You do have that right, but it says nothing about the - tigerdb MU - 5/6 20:39:23
                                        screening is reasonable, yes... - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:40:45
                         Without an expectation of privacy the 4th isn't violated - Mo Texan MU - 5/6 20:32:06
                              being peeped and groped is not just an inconvenience... - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:37:13
                                   You're changing the discussion from 4th to the process used - Mo Texan MU - 5/6 20:47:55
                                        when did I say screening was a violation of the 4th? - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:50:33
                                             In the original post to which I responded - Mo Texan MU - 5/6 20:58:05
                                                  I said the TSA's method of screening violates the 4th... - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:59:57
                                   That isn't unconstitutional. Just mindlessly stupid, and - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:43:26
                                        yes, it is - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:45:52
                                             Why do you keep pushing this? It isn't unconstitutional - ArnoldBabar MU - 5/6 20:47:05
                                                  if it violates the 4th Amendment then by definition... - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:48:23
                                                       You need to read a bit more carefully. Instead of - ArnoldBabar MU - 5/6 20:49:05
                                                            or maybe you should - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:51:00
                         It isn't - if only because even a rightwing SC won't say so(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:30:02
                              what has the SC said? - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:37:56
                                   Its a huge, instant loser. Forget it.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:42:07
                                        not so fast... - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:44:44
                                             I don't think the Ninth Circus has been right since - GA Tiger MU - 5/6 20:48:09
                                                  doesn't matter...it's case law now - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:48:56
                         It's not a violation of anything. Air travel is optional. - ArnoldBabar MU - 5/6 20:18:52
                              leaving your house is optional... - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:38:29
                                   When do you get searched as you walk out of your - ArnoldBabar MU - 5/6 20:43:35
                                        so far - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:46:57
                                             Let me guess. You're a gun nut, too? They're lining - ArnoldBabar MU - 5/6 20:47:52
                                                  don't own a gun but I support your right to - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:49:53
                    next you'll be telling me if I don't want to be screened... - ashtray USA - 5/6 20:16:09
                         Yes, don't leave your trailer. (nm) - ArnoldBabar MU - 5/6 20:21:27




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