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I had no problem thanking him for leaving players.

Posted on: April 20, 2012 at 17:12:53 CT
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I also didn't think Self would've gotten as much out of that group as Weber did in 2004-2005.

Same with the current roster at Illinois. I think Groce will get more from several of those guys than Weber ever would have if he would've stayed.

I'm sure you'd say the same about FH and MA's players.
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Mizzou is 3rd in SEC in all-time NCAA tourney appearances - McMuffin MU - 4/20 15:14:11
     SEC Basketball....a tradition since 2012 - coolbean MU - 4/21 12:45:09
          RE: SEC Basketball....a tradition since 2012 - buddha22 MU - 4/21 19:19:17
          6 national titles and 12 final fours in the last 18 years, - AndyTiger MU - 4/21 14:24:10
               RE: 6 national titles and 12 final fours in the last 18 years, - MizzouBuickFan MU - 4/21 16:47:16
          haha - tjwheeler UI - 4/21 14:02:49
          Your love for bashing MU and the big 12 reeks of beaker - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/21 13:01:45
     RE: Mizzou is 3rd in SEC in all-time NCAA tourney appearances - MUinIL MU - 4/20 18:57:52
          Which goes to show what we already know - McMuffin MU - 4/20 21:50:31
               How many times should Norm have made it to - alwaysright MU - 4/21 10:40:26
                    RE: How many times should Norm have made it to - sarasotatiger MU - 4/21 15:00:23
                    Whoa. OK, I'll do one hypo with you. - McMuffin MU - 4/21 12:19:26
                         I didn't say that scenario would improve your - alwaysright MU - 4/22 08:24:16
               RE: Which goes to show what we already know - MUinIL MU - 4/21 09:27:32
                    No sh**. But at the same time I've come to realize - McMuffin MU - 4/21 12:22:28
                         RE: No sh**. But at the same time I've come to realize - MUinIL MU - 4/21 14:56:08
                              RE: No sh**. But at the same time I've come to realize - McMuffin MU - 4/21 17:04:33
     The Big XII is and will be a better basketball conference. - 90183 MU - 4/20 16:36:34
          used to be true, won't be anymore - AndyTiger MU - 4/21 14:33:00
               LOL - tjwheeler UI - 4/21 14:55:08
                    OU, OSU, and TT are in major decline. KSU just lost their - AndyTiger MU - 4/21 15:31:41
                         Remind me again what the SEC did in the tourney other - tjwheeler UI - 4/21 15:34:41
                              To be honest, has the big xii done much outside of ku? - lqf2b8 MU - 4/22 09:06:18
          ^^^^^^^This is Bulls&it!^^^^^^^^^^ nm - thytiger MU - 4/21 10:04:46
               Again, check out the incoming talent in each league - 90183 MU - 4/21 13:19:04
          I'll post this again - XRob MU - 4/21 08:27:20
               Take a look at the talent coming into each conference - 90183 MU - 4/21 12:53:23
                    no need to - XRob MU - 4/21 13:47:31
          How is that any different than ku top program, Texas is very - tiger4real MU - 4/20 21:02:24
               We will not care anymore about the big 12 in 4 months (nm) - tigger2118 MU - 4/21 16:40:23
               mizzou top tier?? how is a perennial top 3-6 program in the - BabyJay KU - 4/21 12:39:58
                    Roll Tide! Looks like you do like the SEC!! (NM) - tigger2118 MU - 4/21 16:41:49
                    We're chickenhawks, see? Will you help me choke my - Henry Hawk KU - 4/21 15:55:59
                    Have you seen the guy in the hat next to Dickie V? - MarineinMO USMC - 4/21 12:53:44
                         I have got to get one of those!!nm - BabyJay KU - 4/21 13:01:14
                              save your money. it just leads to this - MarineinMO USMC - 4/21 13:18:15
          The Big 12 wont be around much longer. - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 19:44:28
               I would not be so confident about the Big XII's demise - 90183 MU - 4/21 13:27:43
               ^^^^^^^^This is not^^^^^^^^ nm - thytiger MU - 4/21 10:07:14
          sec is better in basketball too. B12 ain't s#!t - crudup 99 - 4/20 17:37:19
               Are we discussing today - or yesterday?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 4/20 18:47:23
                    Today and yesterday and tomorrow - crudup 99 - 4/20 21:12:07
                         If they were one team conferences, you'd be correct. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 21:27:56
                              Really? - crudup 99 - 4/21 01:40:00
                                   And, I repeat. - tjwheeler UI - 4/21 09:59:07
                                        I'm not talking about one team - crudup 99 - 4/21 11:07:11
                                             Three. - tjwheeler UI - 4/21 12:18:51
                                                  UK isn't > ku? And how many - crudup 99 - 4/22 06:31:19
                                                       Once again. - tjwheeler UI - 4/22 15:08:24
                                                            RE: Once again. - crudup 99 - 4/22 15:22:10
                                                                 Well, tough guy. - tjwheeler UI - 4/22 15:32:23
               So, here's the question: - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 17:42:59
                    Yes dumbo. We just increase the difference - crudup 99 - 4/20 17:49:14
                         "Sec is stronger with. But they were stronger anyway." - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 17:53:07
                              I've said it before. I think it was a couple years ago... - BadAsh SEC - 4/20 19:50:53
                                   Well, then you might be the only one. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 20:49:31
                                        True, not many agreed with me at the time, and people - BadAsh SEC - 4/20 22:16:26
          Both conferences are very similar. - BadAsh SEC - 4/20 17:15:14
          Depends on the criteria. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:43:17
               I'm going to generally agree with this. - Evenflow MU - 4/20 16:50:10
                    As you should be jacked. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:52:58
               Don't worry, TCU is going to really help the Big 12. (nm) - RememberQuantrill MU - 4/20 16:44:09
                    While TCU is crap... - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:48:58
                         Of those bottom teams, in each conference, who do you - BadAsh SEC - 4/20 17:17:40
                              Good question. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 17:23:30
                         Georgia and Miss State have made the Big Dance lately - McMuffin MU - 4/20 16:51:24
                              I actually thought Georgia had things going 2 yrs ago. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:56:40
          Yep. It's kind of a good spot for us b/c Kentucky will - McMuffin MU - 4/20 16:43:05
          It is probably optimistic towards the Big 12 to say there is - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 16:40:04
          Based on what? Opinion? Nm - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:38:42
     SEC Totals: - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 15:23:30
          Ole Miss is a really good basketball program(nm) - high.nrg STL - 4/20 16:18:49
               Ole Miss - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 16:29:51
                    Ansu Sesay missed back to back FT's the play before Bryce - CoolBreeze22 MU - 4/20 16:41:53
                         South Carolina with B.J. McKie had it even worse - upset by - McMuffin MU - 4/20 16:46:15
                              don't jinx us, there's still next yr to be played!!!! :)nm - CoolBreeze22 MU - 4/20 16:56:12
                    I've only seen their little arena on TV. - Evenflow MU - 4/20 16:35:25
                         Aside from Arkansas that applies to the whole SEC West. (nm) - McMuffin MU - 4/20 16:37:34
                    RE: Ole Miss - McMuffin MU - 4/20 16:33:05
               RE: Ole Miss is a really good basketball program(nm) - McMuffin MU - 4/20 16:26:47
               So is Northwestern. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:26:06
                    Almost got it this year...almost(nm) - high.nrg STL - 4/20 16:34:52
                         I couldn't be happier that they failed. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:49:38
               They usually 'Miss' the basket. - Hamdogg KC - 4/20 16:22:26
                    Snap(nm) - high.nrg STL - 4/20 16:24:40
          By the way I imagine Illinois would be second? Do y'all - McMuffin MU - 4/20 15:54:08
               RE: By the way I imagine Illinois would be second? Do y'all - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 15:57:44
               69 total NCAA tourney games, 29 appearances (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 15:56:42
          Another way to look at it, that combines both - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 15:33:22
               Mizzou as we know is a statistical anomoly when it comes to - McMuffin MU - 4/20 15:49:43
               I'd like to see those numbers over the last decade. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 15:36:01
                    RE: I'd like to see those numbers over the last decade. - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 15:37:52
          Will never catch UK but wont take long to blow past - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 15:26:16
               ^^^Thanks to Mike Anderson for our last four year Class * - MizzouBuickFan MU - 4/20 15:37:04
                    huh? - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 15:38:41
                         Our roster featured zero players not recruited by - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 15:45:48
                              What thanks did he give to MU? - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 15:48:28
                                   You replied to your question within your own post - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 15:52:10
                                        Because his players were tired of his shyt(nm) - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 15:55:01
                                             That is why he deserves no thanks from MU fans? - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 15:58:17
                                                  Did Norm bolt on MU? No, but the snake did - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 16:13:01
                                                       No, he got pushed out the door. To an extent - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 16:17:16
                                                            Nobody is saying it negates the past - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:34:16
                                                                 Well, here is the statement I am disagreeing with - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 16:36:10
                                                                      That's not mine, but I thank thanks and credit - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:37:33
                                                       He left you 6 seniors and a top 15 team. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:16:22
                                                            he didn't leave a top 15 team. - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:32:46
                                                                 I'm guessing it's somewhere in between. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:39:47
                                                                      Those veterans ha never done anything like that - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:42:11
                                                            Bwahaha a top 15 team? - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 16:19:09
                                                                 He left you 6 seniors and a ton of starts. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:41:11
                                                  I actually ok with his point of view - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:01:43
                                                       The way he left was shameful - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 16:05:43
                                                            Last impression>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>first impression - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 16:14:13
                                                                 What about the 5 year period in between? (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 16:19:40
                                                                      What about it? I know what he did as a coach - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 16:22:38
                                                                           Again, silly position - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 16:27:32
                                                                                He used those schools to fatten his wallet - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 16:30:14
                                                                                     Almost all coaches do that, just not as obviously - Bobk MU - 4/20 22:45:31
                                                            The key question is how long you have to give thanks - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:12:48
                                                                 Until his players leave, imo. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:17:08
                                                                      So you have no problem giving weber 3 more yrs of credit - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:30:16
                                                                           He'll deserve some credit. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:50:26
                                                                                So we will hear thank you coach weber in 2015 - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:56:05
                                                                                     I'm telling you right now. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:58:15
                                                                                          Was self thanked a lot those first couple years? Nm - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 17:01:22
                                                                                               I had no problem thanking him for leaving players. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 17:12:53
                                                                                                    Was he thanked though? - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 17:30:25
                                                                                                         Huh? You're asking if I sent him a thank you card? - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 17:33:55
                                                                                                              I'm asking if Illinois fans in general were saying thanks - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 18:20:03
                                                                                                                   I can't speak for all Illini fans. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 20:45:07
                                                                                                                        Well you keep answering a different question over - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 21:00:45
                                                                                                                             No. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 21:34:03
                                                                                                                                  I asked if self was thanks and you said "credit" over - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 21:49:59
                                                                                                                                       That was the direct order of your questions. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 21:56:27
                                                                                                                                            you're complicating the **** out of this - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 22:04:47
                                                                                                                                                 No. I answered every single ? of yours. - tjwheeler UI - 4/21 00:01:56
                                                                                                                                                      that's chalked wrong nm - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/21 09:02:27
                                                                                                                                                           Fine. - tjwheeler UI - 4/21 10:03:52
                                                                                                                                                                ok - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/21 12:06:09
                                                                                                                                                                     No difference between giving Self credit and thanking him. - tjwheeler UI - 4/21 12:23:06
                                                                                                                                                                          The words don't have the same meaning, sorry nm - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/21 12:29:06
                                                                                                                                                                               What is this immense difference between credit/thanks? - tjwheeler UI - 4/21 12:36:31
                                                                                                                                                                                    they are very different - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/21 16:49:21
                                                                                                                                                                                         So, the great inquisition of 2012 is whether or not I've - tjwheeler UI - 4/21 19:18:45
                                                                           double standard. It will be because of the new coach(nm) - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 16:32:09
                                                                                No, it'll be both. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:52:12
                                                                           Luckily for him, doesn't have to worry about that last part(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 16:31:39
                                                                                You and I both know that's not true. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:50:51
                                                                                     It only takes one bad hire - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:57:29
                                                                                          Or, it takes one good hire and we're right back to - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 20:50:11
                                                                                          And, unlike you and Fiji, I don't think Groce was a bad hire - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 16:58:57
                                                                                               I haven't said once I think he was a bad hire - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 17:00:28
                                                                                                    Okay. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 17:14:03
                                                                                                         Of course I would want it, but I haven't said it would - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 18:58:13
                                                                      Why? These were Haiths players - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 16:20:59
                                                                           You woudn't know who Kim English was, nor would - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 16:24:04
                                                                                He was already thanked for that. Very well - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:31:21
                                                                                     He gets credit for Pressey being at MU, yes - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 16:34:04
                                                                                          I'm not saying no credit. I'm saying no thanks. To me - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 16:36:02
                                                                                Fail, when you walk out on someone - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 16:28:38
                                                                                     Not true, but I guess if you say 'fail' what can I do (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/20 16:32:43
                         RE: huh? - MizzouBuickFan MU - 4/20 15:42:26
                              he flirted every single year and got a raise every single - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 15:43:49
                         He left FH with 6 seniors. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 15:42:17
                              RE: He left FH with 6 seniors. - MizzouBuickFan MU - 4/20 15:43:00
          Hopefully we catch and pass Arkansas - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/20 15:25:25
               I'd say in about 5 years (nm) - TigerNuts MU - 4/20 15:29:29
               Arkansas hasn't had a Sweet 16 since 1996. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 15:28:43
                    Dont tell them any such thing, they still think they are - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 15:29:26
                         BJ Young was breastfeeding in 1994. - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 15:30:42
               anything less is a disappointment(nm) - tigerboardnoob MU - 4/20 15:26:49
     What are the totals for each SEC team? - tjwheeler UI - 4/20 15:17:14




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