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RE: This is when you imply the SEC was a haven for

Posted on: April 4, 2012 at 14:54:56 CT
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AL ABRAM

A standout basketball player for the University from 1958-60 who was also a trailblazer, as he became the first African-American athlete to accept a scholarship at MU, when he did so from basketball coach Sparky Stalcup in 1956 ... Led the Tigers in scoring and rebounding during the 1958-59 season, at 16.1 points per game and 9.3 rebounds per contest ... Totaled 404 points that season, and became only the 4th Tiger in history to reach 400 points at the time ... Had a brilliant 28-point outing at Kansas that season ... Was a very unassuming man who by all accounts dealt with the unfortunate situations that would arise with class and dignity ... One situation occurred as a junior in December 1958, when the team traveled to Houston, Texas to play Rice ... As the team checked into the hotel the night before the game, the hotel refused to let Abram stay there ... Unable to make last-minute accommodations for the entire team, Stalcup made arrangements for Abram to stay in a dorm room at nearby Texas Southern University ... The next night, Abram scored 23 points to lead MU to a 68-62 victory ... Played professionally briefly with Seattle of the old National Industrial Basketball League, before the league folded ... He later worked for the City of St. Louis, as well as the Internal Revenue Service ... Passed away in his hometown of St. Louis, Mo., in 1982 at the age of 44.
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since this is conference comparison day, my updated tally - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:01:12
     Big 12 and Big Least are much much younger than the others - Bobk MU - 4/4 15:21:24
          those pre-b12 numbers are in there. counts all NCs by school - phrejd KC - 4/4 16:16:36
          Learned something interesting the other day - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 15:32:52
               Life was so simple in the good ol' days. - GA Tiger MU - 4/4 15:45:28
                    Some other factoids - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 15:59:06
                         RE: Some other factoids - bobbileedham MU - 4/4 16:23:50
                              You are one.(nm) - ROLLATIGER MU - 4/4 19:57:35
                         I love how laid back it all was. Before...money.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 4/4 16:23:35
                    Same thing that will happen to the Big 12 - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 15:49:19
     When I think of dominant BB conferences, - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:10:19
          this is tb where we adjust facts to maximize our reality(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 4/4 15:34:40
          And Stanford beat Minnesota by 24. - Uncle John MU - 4/4 14:40:35
               Cool. So, this is when we start plucking individual games? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:41:38
          so now depth is the measure? (nm) - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:13:02
               I've always said that the winning by all conference members - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:14:21
                    winning by all conference members in FFs since '97? - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:23:06
                         Your post gave all-time stats. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:25:55
                              so your dominant bb conf is ACC, even though they have fewer - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:36:01
                                   It depends on the parameters. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:37:00
                                        how 'bout starting here? - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:37:55
                                             And, that's a different parameter than the other threads. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:40:31
                                                  so list out all time win/loss by every member of every conf - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:43:56
                                                       I'm not the one starting this thread. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:47:02
                                                            best football based on what? (nm) - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:47:38
                                                                 Depends on the parameters. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:50:40
                                                                      so fb is qualitative, bb is quantitative at the macro level, - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:52:58
                                                                           Never said that at all. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:54:43
                                                                                so in a thread with a quantitative list of NCs - phrejd KC - 4/4 15:00:43
                                                                                     Nope. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 15:23:11
                                                                                     LMAO (nm) - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 15:03:19
                    Right and by that standard, that makes the B10 and B12 - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 14:18:59
                         Unlike you, I don't define success based only on NCAA titles - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:21:53
                              But playing Devil's Advocate - GoMizzouTigers MU - 4/4 14:29:46
                                   you're certainly correct. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:36:15
                                        Do you think depth in a conference is good? - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 15:25:24
                                             I think it can be either but I think it's generally good. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 15:26:51
                                                  Why do you think the Big12 performs so poorly - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 15:47:25
                                                       Mystery to me. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 15:55:55
                                        Again, I don't really care - GoMizzouTigers MU - 4/4 14:45:00
          Sarcasm noted, but no one said the SEC was better than - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 14:11:45
               Perhaps you didn't read phrejd's post. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:13:02
     And another funny thing is that it's been argued that SEC - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 14:09:26
          Time period? His post was all time. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:12:33
               All time is completely irrelevant. Modern era, when shorts - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 14:22:54
                    Whether it's irrelevant or not, you didn't read his post. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:26:21
                         I glanced it the final tallies, saw B10 and their titles, - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 14:29:00
                              Okay, just read it closer next time. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:30:17
                                   And here comes the personal attacks - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 14:33:42
                                        No personal attacks. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:38:30
                                             Sooooo......Kentucky allowed blacks to play on their team - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 14:41:41
                                                  Not until they got beaten in the title by Texas Western, - Bobk MU - 4/4 15:24:52
                                                  This is when you imply the SEC was a haven for - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:43:53
                                                       RE: This is when you imply the SEC was a haven for - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 14:54:56
                                                            Not sure what this anecdotal biography is supposed to prove. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:56:04
                                                                 information to MU fans interested in the topic - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 15:10:28
                                                                      Cool. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 15:25:25
                                                       RE: This is when you imply the SEC was a haven for - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:47:02
                                             what is ignorant about recognizing that for a period of time - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:41:19
                                                  Implying that this criticism is limited to the B10? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:42:54
                                                       I was talking about the culture and era in the USA at the - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 14:46:03
                                                            In a post in which you were insulting the B10. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:51:58
                                                                 Implied what? I said Chuck Taylors and no blacks allowed - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 15:23:49
                                                       chief illiniwek disagrees with your version of - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:45:18
                                                            So, you're suggesting racial intolerance is limited to - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:52:46
                                                                 where did anyone say it was limited to the b10? (nm) - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:53:46
                                                                      Implied in his post that prompted this tangent. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:55:24
                                                                           i thought we were dealing in facts here? what gives? (nm) - phrejd KC - 4/4 15:01:39
                                                                                Who said otherwise? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 15:27:43
               Technically, in basketball his post starts in 1939 - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 14:18:42
                    No, I would've understood we'd be talking about - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:23:19
                         To get to 5 titles for the Big 12 in bb - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 14:30:27
                              I agree. That's a flaw in the original post. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:41:16
     Should probably be noted that 2 of - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 14:06:34
          no (nm) - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:08:37
               I'm noting it anyways (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 14:10:01
                    noted (nm) - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:12:26
     Jeff Sagarin dislikes ^^^^^^^^^^^ - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 14:02:45
          he neither likes nor dislikes. he simply rates my scale - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:08:04




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