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Posted on: April 4, 2012 at 13:46:03 CT

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fields of play.

Worthy of pride, too.

I'm not sure that even you, the single most argumentative person in the universe (other than maybe pickle and a bunch of guys on the Politics board) want to make the case that the "non-revenue" sports are what matter to this audience or fans in general.
it's a very good thing and I respect the winners of the Director's Cup - but you talk about a non-sequitor... are you going to include debate championships and chess next?

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Sagarin conference ratings for last 10 seasons - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 12:41:53

I have a question - RBT STL - 4/4 13:23:53

I sure don't. DiamondDave is right. Counting Final 8's or - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 13:31:17

Sagarin measures wins and SOS - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:35:36

Wins are good. I don't care what our Sagarin rating is (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 13:43:19

Trophies measure a lot more - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:37:32

Well, we got three this year. - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:39:10

We had a great season. Didn't win it all but - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:40:30

Yep and for overall athletic success in all sports - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:34:26

Every Director's Cup over the last decade disagrees. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:35:11

No, it's a valid and different measure of very different - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 13:46:03

Why are you making this personal? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:50:56

Debate....EMAW! - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:47:10

that's because the director's cup counts things like - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:38:00

He claimed "overall athletic success in sports" - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:41:23

You're just so absurdly argumentative that it renders - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 13:47:12

Great. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:49:24

I think he meant "overal athletic success in revenue sports" - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:43:41

He mentioned baseball in his post. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:46:40

BE has fewer BB NCs than SEC - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:04:16

Thanks to Kentucky and their 8. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:07:38

based on what? (nm) - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:09:10

Contributions from all teams. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:15:20

BB = hoops. Got it now. - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:51:00

Of course, BB=hoops. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:53:42

Yeah, so I was wondering why you mentioned baseball at all - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 14:00:33

Because you brought it up in your post. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:04:10

LSU in 09' and S. Carolina the last 2 years is not owing - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:50:06

You mentioned a non-revenue sport. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:52:37

In the SEC, it's a definite revenue sport. It's not women's - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:59:55

So, now you're redefining "revenue sport" after - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:06:12

They fill the stands and scholarships - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 14:15:32

Then, you should'e said that in your initial post. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:27:31

Did you get your B12 Wrestling Champions shirt? - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:45:22

Director Cup smack! Non-revenue sport smack! Brilliant - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:37:03

Just using your words. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:38:19

Disagree. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:33:58

Of course it matters. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 13:38:38

It's a strawman - nobody here claims the NCAA tournament - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 13:48:42

you might want to read the post that I responded to. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:55:36

Making the Final Four is obviously better than losing in - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 13:38:21

And, I've never heard of fans of any other team - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:42:49

Everyone sets their own goalposts for what they value - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 13:47:09

Okay. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:54:49

All about match-ups. Honestly, kU got the worse bracket - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:39:43

Yep. They got a great bracket in the NCAA tourney. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 13:45:45

I have ku alum family members that only care about the title - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:35:55

hahaha - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:37:12

They're family, so of course. I don't walk around with my - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:38:23

That t-shirt wouldn't matter anyway. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:43:42

flying asterisks?(nm) - tigerNkc MU

- 4/4 13:29:11

^^What he said(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 4/4 13:24:58

Top 50 teams by conference in Sagarin - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:11:51

If you cut it off at top 30 - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 13:17:57

Sure. But the SEC is more top heavy than some - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:21:38

For me personally,I don't care what the SEC was historically - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 13:25:33

And Minn, Nubs, Penn State, and NW are deplorable too - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:22:53

here are the bottom halfs: - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:27:52

Funny thing about looking at bottom halves of conferences - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 13:34:24

it adversely affects the SOS of the good teams in the league - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:42:18

I disagree about the non-con games. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 13:48:28

all the top teams do it and it works out fine for them. - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 14:18:03

I'm not sure I agree with that either. It's all about - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 14:30:40

Except that is 1/2 of your conference games. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:36:32

Again, the top half will beat the bottom half most of the - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 13:42:00

Most of the time is correct. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:48:39

I'm not talking B1G basketball. I think most people would - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 14:01:21

Makes sense to me. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:45:40

Well, Tenn, MSU, LSU, Ga., Ark, and aTm have been players - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:30:47

yeah, the SEC is just down right now at the bottom - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:32:49

What's the average SAG ranking by conference? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:20:38

Sagarin rating by conference this year - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:24:15

The PAC12 is 6th in that group, or 6th among all - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 13:28:09

6th among all conferences - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:29:19

Don't know, I'm using the data from his post (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 13:21:58

Wow, this surprised me. This isn't close. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:29:06

yeah, the bottom half of the SEC in basketball pretty much - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:30:43

Certainly going forward I agree - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:14:53

Let's just not have a tourney and award the champ by - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:13:12

I'm not sure if you're new to basketball but - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:16:12

I also know head-to-head and competition on the field - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:21:20

Nope. It means nothing unless you win the NCAA title. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:30:15

Now you're catching on. Winning titles much more important - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:32:23

You seem unable to grasp - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:15:32

Conferences compete against each other for titles - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:18:25

if you did then the SEC would win this year. - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:14:34

Then why argue the strength of a conference? Why would - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:16:44

Certainly it's good that the SEC is winning national titles - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:18:52

That's why I said they're behind the ACC and Big East - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:22:10

Wow, someone got under your skin about SEC vs. b12 - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 12:59:53

RE: Wow, someone got under your skin about SEC vs. b12 - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 13:03:56

The facts got under his skin. - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:01:37

What this tells me is that the SEC has plenty of potential - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 12:56:16

I agree - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:06:17

depends on your definition of lately. - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:16:15

RE: depends on your definition of lately. - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:28:52

The Pac 12 used to be pretty good too. They have a ton of - AndyTiger MU

- 4/4 13:32:03

If UCLA can figure out a way to restore - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:34:34

I know this ku fan didn't think much of the conf - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 12:51:37

Fiji, not many people outside of you were predicting - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:09:52

Without the Morris's I wasn't predicting a 30 win season - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 13:14:18

RE: Without the Morris's I wasn't predicting a 30 win season - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:20:05

You are really confusing me now - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 13:30:39

RE: You are really confusing me now - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:39:27

I'm confused by who the 'we' and 'us' is for you(nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 13:42:00

That isn't what you said - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:44:37

non sequitur - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:52:04

SEC - 3 titles. B12 - 1 title. B10 - zero titles - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 12:45:47

Don't forget the Horizon League's dominance! - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:48:05

wait so now it's not final 4 appearances? (nm) - phrejd KC - 4/4 12:49:21

Wasn't this his debate point weeks ago? Nm - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/4 13:09:52

If your winning percentage in FFs is 0%, I would never - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 12:54:03

"FF means absolutely nothing" - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:55:13

Reaching the Final Four is losing (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 12:57:38

Heck of a lot better than losing to Norfolk State. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:59:22

Which is better than winning 1 NCAA game in 5years nm - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/4 13:06:34

None of that matters unless you win a NCAA Title. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:07:45

That's right about winning it all. You have to MAKE it in - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:12:08

No, MU hasn't been better than Illinois recently. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:13:29

Nice to see Norfolk in the dance. They did what Illinois - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:03:03

But, none of that matters. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:05:52

Yes it is, but its still simply a different level of losing(nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 13:00:40

It really doesn't. About as significant as the final four - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 12:56:51

Your comparison to other sports is absurd. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:58:19

How is it absurd? What other sport on the planet gives any - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:05:19

Why are you even comparing it to other sports? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:07:03

If we were to make it and not win it all, I would NEVER - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:10:43

You haven't had to worry about that problem. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:12:01

All or nothing. And please stop embarrassing yourself - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:14:45

I'm simply using your logic and argument. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:17:45

If you'd like to look at recent history and say Ill hoops - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:24:35

No, you are arguing that they are equal. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:31:17

I'd say that if we look at recent head-to-head, we're - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 13:00:51

Just using DD's metric. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:49:54

unless those ranking take into account - phrejd KC - 4/4 12:45:20

They don't matter going forward - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:11:33

They don't matter period when discussing Conf. - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 12:46:48

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