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Posted on: April 4, 2012 at 13:33:58 CT
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I post on several message boards and this is the only one where I've found college basketball fans who say how far you go in the NCAA tourney doesn't matter if you don't win the title.

Of course it matters.

Edited by tjwheeler at 13:34:28 on 04/04/12
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Sagarin conference ratings for last 10 seasons - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 12:41:53
     I have a question - RBT STL - 4/4 13:23:53
          I sure don't. DiamondDave is right. Counting Final 8's or - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 13:31:17
               Sagarin measures wins and SOS - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:35:36
                    Wins are good. I don't care what our Sagarin rating is (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 13:43:19
                    Trophies measure a lot more - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:37:32
                         Well, we got three this year. - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:39:10
                              We had a great season. Didn't win it all but - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:40:30
               Yep and for overall athletic success in all sports - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:34:26
                    Every Director's Cup over the last decade disagrees. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:35:11
                         No, it's a valid and different measure of very different - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 13:46:03
                              Why are you making this personal? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:50:56
                              Debate....EMAW! - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:47:10
                         that's because the director's cup counts things like - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:38:00
                              He claimed "overall athletic success in sports" - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:41:23
                                   You're just so absurdly argumentative that it renders - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 13:47:12
                                        Great. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:49:24
                                   I think he meant "overal athletic success in revenue sports" - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:43:41
                                        He mentioned baseball in his post. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:46:40
                                             BE has fewer BB NCs than SEC - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:04:16
                                                  Thanks to Kentucky and their 8. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:07:38
                                                       based on what? (nm) - phrejd KC - 4/4 14:09:10
                                                            Contributions from all teams. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:15:20
                                             BB = hoops. Got it now. - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:51:00
                                                  Of course, BB=hoops. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:53:42
                                                       Yeah, so I was wondering why you mentioned baseball at all - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 14:00:33
                                                            Because you brought it up in your post. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:04:10
                                             LSU in 09' and S. Carolina the last 2 years is not owing - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:50:06
                                                  You mentioned a non-revenue sport. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:52:37
                                                       In the SEC, it's a definite revenue sport. It's not women's - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:59:55
                                                            So, now you're redefining "revenue sport" after - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:06:12
                                                                 They fill the stands and scholarships - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 14:15:32
                                                                      Then, you should'e said that in your initial post. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:27:31
                                        Did you get your B12 Wrestling Champions shirt? - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:45:22
                         Director Cup smack! Non-revenue sport smack! Brilliant - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:37:03
                              Just using your words. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:38:19
               Disagree. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:33:58
                    Of course it matters. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 13:38:38
                         It's a strawman - nobody here claims the NCAA tournament - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 13:48:42
                              you might want to read the post that I responded to. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:55:36
                    Making the Final Four is obviously better than losing in - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 13:38:21
                         And, I've never heard of fans of any other team - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:42:49
                              Everyone sets their own goalposts for what they value - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 13:47:09
                                   Okay. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:54:49
                         All about match-ups. Honestly, kU got the worse bracket - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:39:43
                              Yep. They got a great bracket in the NCAA tourney. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 13:45:45
                    I have ku alum family members that only care about the title - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:35:55
                         hahaha - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:37:12
                              They're family, so of course. I don't walk around with my - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:38:23
                                   That t-shirt wouldn't matter anyway. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:43:42
          flying asterisks?(nm) - tigerNkc MU - 4/4 13:29:11
          ^^What he said(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 4/4 13:24:58
     Top 50 teams by conference in Sagarin - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:11:51
          If you cut it off at top 30 - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 13:17:57
               Sure. But the SEC is more top heavy than some - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:21:38
                    For me personally,I don't care what the SEC was historically - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 13:25:33
                    And Minn, Nubs, Penn State, and NW are deplorable too - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:22:53
                         here are the bottom halfs: - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:27:52
                              Funny thing about looking at bottom halves of conferences - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 13:34:24
                                   it adversely affects the SOS of the good teams in the league - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:42:18
                                        I disagree about the non-con games. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 13:48:28
                                             all the top teams do it and it works out fine for them. - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 14:18:03
                                                  I'm not sure I agree with that either. It's all about - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 14:30:40
                                   Except that is 1/2 of your conference games. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:36:32
                                        Again, the top half will beat the bottom half most of the - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 13:42:00
                                             Most of the time is correct. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:48:39
                                                  I'm not talking B1G basketball. I think most people would - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 14:01:21
                                                       Makes sense to me. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 14:45:40
                              Well, Tenn, MSU, LSU, Ga., Ark, and aTm have been players - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:30:47
                                   yeah, the SEC is just down right now at the bottom - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:32:49
               What's the average SAG ranking by conference? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:20:38
                    Sagarin rating by conference this year - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:24:15
                         The PAC12 is 6th in that group, or 6th among all - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 13:28:09
                              6th among all conferences - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:29:19
                    Don't know, I'm using the data from his post (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 13:21:58
                         Wow, this surprised me. This isn't close. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:29:06
                              yeah, the bottom half of the SEC in basketball pretty much - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:30:43
          Certainly going forward I agree - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:14:53
          Let's just not have a tourney and award the champ by - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:13:12
               I'm not sure if you're new to basketball but - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:16:12
                    I also know head-to-head and competition on the field - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:21:20
                         Nope. It means nothing unless you win the NCAA title. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:30:15
                              Now you're catching on. Winning titles much more important - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:32:23
               You seem unable to grasp - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:15:32
                    Conferences compete against each other for titles - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:18:25
               if you did then the SEC would win this year. - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:14:34
                    Then why argue the strength of a conference? Why would - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:16:44
                         Certainly it's good that the SEC is winning national titles - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:18:52
                              That's why I said they're behind the ACC and Big East - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:22:10
     Wow, someone got under your skin about SEC vs. b12 - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 12:59:53
          RE: Wow, someone got under your skin about SEC vs. b12 - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 13:03:56
          The facts got under his skin. - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:01:37
     What this tells me is that the SEC has plenty of potential - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 12:56:16
          I agree - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:06:17
               depends on your definition of lately. - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:16:15
                    RE: depends on your definition of lately. - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:28:52
                         The Pac 12 used to be pretty good too. They have a ton of - AndyTiger MU - 4/4 13:32:03
                              If UCLA can figure out a way to restore - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:34:34
     I know this ku fan didn't think much of the conf - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 12:51:37
          Fiji, not many people outside of you were predicting - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:09:52
               Without the Morris's I wasn't predicting a 30 win season - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 13:14:18
                    RE: Without the Morris's I wasn't predicting a 30 win season - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:20:05
                         You are really confusing me now - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 13:30:39
                              RE: You are really confusing me now - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:39:27
                                   I'm confused by who the 'we' and 'us' is for you(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 13:42:00
                                        That isn't what you said - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:44:37
          non sequitur - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:52:04
     SEC - 3 titles. B12 - 1 title. B10 - zero titles - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 12:45:47
          Don't forget the Horizon League's dominance! - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:48:05
               wait so now it's not final 4 appearances? (nm) - phrejd KC - 4/4 12:49:21
                    Wasn't this his debate point weeks ago? Nm - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/4 13:09:52
                    If your winning percentage in FFs is 0%, I would never - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 12:54:03
                         "FF means absolutely nothing" - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:55:13
                              Reaching the Final Four is losing (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 12:57:38
                                   Heck of a lot better than losing to Norfolk State. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:59:22
                                        Which is better than winning 1 NCAA game in 5years nm - MIZtigerZOU MU - 4/4 13:06:34
                                             None of that matters unless you win a NCAA Title. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:07:45
                                                  That's right about winning it all. You have to MAKE it in - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:12:08
                                                       No, MU hasn't been better than Illinois recently. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:13:29
                                        Nice to see Norfolk in the dance. They did what Illinois - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:03:03
                                             But, none of that matters. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:05:52
                                        Yes it is, but its still simply a different level of losing(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 13:00:40
                              It really doesn't. About as significant as the final four - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 12:56:51
                                   Your comparison to other sports is absurd. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:58:19
                                        How is it absurd? What other sport on the planet gives any - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:05:19
                                             Why are you even comparing it to other sports? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:07:03
                                                  If we were to make it and not win it all, I would NEVER - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:10:43
                                                       You haven't had to worry about that problem. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:12:01
                                                            All or nothing. And please stop embarrassing yourself - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:14:45
                                                                 I'm simply using your logic and argument. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:17:45
                                                                      If you'd like to look at recent history and say Ill hoops - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:24:35
                                                                           No, you are arguing that they are equal. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 13:31:17
                                        I'd say that if we look at recent head-to-head, we're - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 13:00:51
                    Just using DD's metric. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:49:54
     unless those ranking take into account - phrejd KC - 4/4 12:45:20
          They don't matter going forward - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 13:11:33
          They don't matter period when discussing Conf. - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 12:46:48




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