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You can't just look at titles. You should look at

Posted on: April 4, 2012 at 11:12:46 CT

BadAsh MU

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tourney success for each conference and how many teams in each conference has success. In that regard B1G is a great conference. Big12 on the other hand has been absolutely horrible. SEC has been decent, with the few teams that have success having great success.

I have no problem saying B1G is a better basketball conference than the SEC. I also have no problem saying the SEC is better than the b12. If you take football AND basketball into consideration, the SEC is the best conference.

Edited by BadAsh at 11:13:31 on 04/04/12

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SEC has won past six(6) BCS Titles in either basketball or - MizzouBuickFan MU - 4/4 00:39:10

WTF kind of statement is that? "past 6 BCS titles." would be - etherice MU - 4/4 10:49:19

Big 12 has way more hoops tradition - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 08:31:53

Big 12 has been the better basketball conference - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 08:39:32

Not really - XRob MU - 4/4 09:28:46

The Big 12 has rarely been a good bb conference - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 08:57:57

The big 12 has been better than the SEC - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:23:26

Yep, and it's not close. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:25:18

Wow. 1 measly title since I was in High School versus - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:41:37

This is such stupid logic. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:44:56

How so? Stupid is saying "well the Conference didn't win - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:48:56

Your syntax is confusing as hell. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:50:48

I understand your logic, but it's flat out wrong. - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:01:34

Sagarin rankings... - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 11:25:00

Yeah, good point. A lot of people look at the Sagarin - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:29:14

When ranking the conferences, yes - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 11:33:49

So, the Horizon league was a top 2 league 2009-2011? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:04:33

So the Pac 12 is the best conference - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:50:30

RE: Wow. 1 measly title since I was in High School versus - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:42:45

Since 1996, the SEC has won 4 national championships - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:41:22

RE: Since 1996, the SEC has won 4 national championships - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:45:33

Championships are all that matters - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 09:48:12

That doesn't define the best conference. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:25:56

So all of those Conf. websites touting the number of - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:33:29

This isn't difficult, dude. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:35:30

It's not difficult. The Conference claims the number of - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:40:35

You seriously want to go there, dude? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:43:19

I made the argument last week that no one including MU - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:52:41

You can't just look at titles. You should look at - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:12:46

Seems fair to me. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:18:11

The ACC has been getting worse. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:25:39

I wish someone would do the research on quality of coaches - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:38:21

When I evaluate conferences, I consider all the teams. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:02:53

Hmmmmm........last 6 football, 3 out of the last 6 in hoops, - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:17:20

Predictable. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:24:16

And how have you stacked up against us recently - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:32:14

That's the sad part. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:34:06

Yeah, you're better - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:30:49

Greatest basketball conf. ever: The Pac 12 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:42:00

Pac 12 better than the B12 - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:50:05

No, it is the greatest conference ever - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:51:18

wow. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:51:08

Unless the argument isn't about championships - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:51:20

What are we talking about then? Your position that - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 09:55:23

Why are you only considering the performance of 1 team - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:32:12

Then the easiest thing is for Kentucky and Florida to go - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:37:59

That is an insane post - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:40:01

Do you not understand what comprises a "conference"? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:39:10

I'm trying to figure out a way for the SEC to not claim - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:46:12

So, Horizon League was a top 2 conference the last 2 years? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:47:55

Hansen would make that argument because he ONLY - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:04:01

Stop lying about me - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 11:35:21

So, yes or no on the Horizon league? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:06:06

Now we're getting really down and dirty - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:19:12

hahahahaha - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:24:48

And your sarcasm radar just hit - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:31:31

Phew. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:39:32

are you illiterate? - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:03:47

I'm not looking to claim victory over you - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:10:53

And, that is nonsense. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:32:49

That is a non-responsive point - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:22:02

Whatever makes you feel better - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:27:31

Feelings are irrelelevant - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:31:16

I'm not sure you have posted 1 fact or logic, but I also - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:42:50

Your slip is showing. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:46:10

given the flexible nature of your ability to percieve - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:45:00

I will stick up for Fiji here. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:49:00

Actually, I think you were better at that over the last - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 10:51:17

If you would've asked me 3 years ago, I'd have the - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:01:15

Unlike the wins vs. nu, cu, tt, bu, ksu, aTm all programs - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:08:43

Those programs have been better than the SEC bottom feeders. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:11:26

The difference between the conferences is that the bottom - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:21:39

Coaches. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:27:13

You have an uncanny ability to come off less intelligent the - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:48:43

Yes, call your superior stupid - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:53:26

I'm calling stupid, stupid. (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:54:37

With Diamond Dave as your trusty - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:57:40

Unchallenged because they're ridiculous points to begin with - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:08:44

I can't help you if you can't read - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:28:29

Acknowledge the SEC is better than the B12 - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:31:45

It isn't better - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:40:57

Stand proud with LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU, SC, Georgia. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:38:07

Penn St., Nubs, Minn., NW, and Illinois - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:27:16

Wanna look at those teams over the last decade? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:41:44

I want to look at those teams now, because now is all that's - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:58:38

Well, if you say so, it must be true. LOL - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:17:47

What years? - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 09:29:40

RE: What years? - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:42:02

Here - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 09:52:06

Don't bother arguing. Anyone who says 7 Final Fours to 6 - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:04:09

I did acknowledge the championships - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:56:16

Top to bottom the SEC in the past hasn't been a - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:07:25

Some bad teams in both league, but let's be honest here - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:13:00

Its likely going to be a worse league going forward - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:15:42

If I were Bill Self, I'd take that reputation of being a - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:20:18

But then you would be wearing a wig (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:23:59

You seem to have forgotten something - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:59:36

I'm mostly providing this content for the benefit of the - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:04:07

RE: I'm mostly providing this content for the benefit of the - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:33:15

RE: I'm mostly providing this content for the benefit of the - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:35:51

My post is directly responsive - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:47:56

Answer the question. How many titles has the B12 won - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 09:46:17

I have not denied that the SEC has more titles - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:50:11

My strawman? You argue a FF stat starting in 2000 - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:01:49

RE: My strawman? You argue a FF stat starting in 2000 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:20:40

You've been saying this for years. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 09:02:27

I have. And the Big 12 has never been a particularly - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 09:22:57

haha. Yeah, okay. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:20:11

Read the post directly below this from 2010 - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:22:37

I read it and it still doesn't prove your point. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:26:15

It doesn't demonstrate I have been saying it for years? - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:29:55

No, it doesn't. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:34:31

Thanks RobertP, at least he is honest about - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:40:38

So, now I shouldn't take your words at face value? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:07:00

Don't be argumentative / Do take my statement at face - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 11:10:28

you're telling me not to be argumentative? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:15:54

So we haven't repetitively gone down the path of agreeing - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 11:18:42

Not repetitively, no. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:55:07

Here is a prior post on the subject for support - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 09:25:09

Oh, I remember that thread well. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:24:46

RE: Oh, I remember that thread well. - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:33:31

"for the sake of simplicity" - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:36:38

If you want to compile and analyze data you don't have - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:45:05

It must have been tough for you to take all of the heat over - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:08:45

No, its a discussion board. Not a popularity contest (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 11:21:32

Given. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:51:28

It's fun to go through that thread and read my own posts. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:34:10

RE: It's fun to go through that thread and read my own posts. - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 09:37:48

I've been saying for a long time that the b12 isn't a very - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:22:21

Really? Titles since 1989 and you can add in the additions - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 08:44:42

Big 12 didn't exist in 1989 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 08:53:06

That's why I said you could even add the other teams - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 09:43:41

RE: That's why I said you could even add the other teams - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:47:01

6 NCs since 1993 to 1. - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 09:52:59

Agree with this. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 08:57:24

And how do you measure that? - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 09:09:21

Use RPI, Pom, SOS - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:28:03

Fiji's post below uses RPI - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 11:15:28

RE: And how do you measure that? - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 09:25:50

Where has this post been the last 16 years? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 08:51:37

Big 12 may be deeper, but SEC better at the top - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 08:43:03

RE: Big 12 may be deeper, but SEC better at the top - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 08:54:44

and Final Fours (nm) - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 08:56:15

Since 2000 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:32:20

Interesting how you think the big12 started in 2000.(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 10:55:22

And 3 titles to 1. So the B12's percentage of finishing a - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 09:57:44

RE: And 3 titles to 1. So the B12's percentage of finishing a - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:24:50

and as I've asked before - Sal KC - 4/4 07:50:47

we don't celebrate team championships - Iam4Mizzou MU

- 4/4 08:42:16

It establishes our conference at the highest level of - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 08:36:15

hope we can. zero Big XII titles(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU

- 4/4 08:38:42

Except for the two Big XII basketball tourney titles. - Ancient Arizonan MU - 4/4 09:14:48

yeah, I won't elevate tournament titles to the level - Iam4Mizzou MU

- 4/4 10:01:19

Just ignore them and they'll go away. (nm) - Ancient Arizonan MU - 4/4 15:18:50

That argument just proves that we should go to the SEC. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:04:22

Except that it's not much of an argument. (nm) - Ancient Arizonan MU - 4/4 15:17:34

how many kU tshirts do you own?(nm) - TheShoe JC - 4/4 08:18:56

and 3 straight baseball titles (nm) - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 07:40:29

there is no BCS title in basketball - pickle MU

- 4/4 07:26:57

And three out of last seven in basketball only. - MizzouBuickFan MU - 4/4 00:41:05

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