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SEC has won past six(6) BCS Titles in either basketball or - MizzouBuickFan MU - 4/4 00:39:10

WTF kind of statement is that? "past 6 BCS titles." would be - etherice MU - 4/4 10:49:19

Big 12 has way more hoops tradition - Diamond Dave MU

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Big 12 has been the better basketball conference - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 08:39:32

Not really - XRob MU - 4/4 09:28:46

The Big 12 has rarely been a good bb conference - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 08:57:57

The big 12 has been better than the SEC - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:23:26

Yep, and it's not close. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:25:18

Wow. 1 measly title since I was in High School versus - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:41:37

This is such stupid logic. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:44:56

How so? Stupid is saying "well the Conference didn't win - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:48:56

Your syntax is confusing as hell. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:50:48

I understand your logic, but it's flat out wrong. - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:01:34

Sagarin rankings... - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 11:25:00

Yeah, good point. A lot of people look at the Sagarin - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:29:14

When ranking the conferences, yes - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 11:33:49

So, the Horizon league was a top 2 league 2009-2011? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:04:33

So the Pac 12 is the best conference - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:50:30

RE: Wow. 1 measly title since I was in High School versus - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:42:45

Since 1996, the SEC has won 4 national championships - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:41:22

RE: Since 1996, the SEC has won 4 national championships - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:45:33

Championships are all that matters - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 09:48:12

That doesn't define the best conference. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:25:56

So all of those Conf. websites touting the number of - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:33:29

This isn't difficult, dude. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:35:30

It's not difficult. The Conference claims the number of - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:40:35

You seriously want to go there, dude? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:43:19

I made the argument last week that no one including MU - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:52:41

You can't just look at titles. You should look at - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:12:46

Seems fair to me. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:18:11

The ACC has been getting worse. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:25:39

I wish someone would do the research on quality of coaches - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:38:21

When I evaluate conferences, I consider all the teams. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:02:53

Hmmmmm........last 6 football, 3 out of the last 6 in hoops, - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:17:20

Predictable. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:24:16

And how have you stacked up against us recently - Diamond Dave MU

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That's the sad part. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:34:06

Yeah, you're better - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:30:49

Greatest basketball conf. ever: The Pac 12 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:42:00

Pac 12 better than the B12 - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:50:05

No, it is the greatest conference ever - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:51:18

wow. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:51:08

Unless the argument isn't about championships - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:51:20

What are we talking about then? Your position that - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 09:55:23

Why are you only considering the performance of 1 team - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:32:12

Then the easiest thing is for Kentucky and Florida to go - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:37:59

That is an insane post - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:40:01

Do you not understand what comprises a "conference"? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:39:10

I'm trying to figure out a way for the SEC to not claim - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:46:12

So, Horizon League was a top 2 conference the last 2 years? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:47:55

Hansen would make that argument because he ONLY - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:04:01

Stop lying about me - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 11:35:21

So, yes or no on the Horizon league? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:06:06

Now we're getting really down and dirty - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:19:12

hahahahaha - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:24:48

And your sarcasm radar just hit - Diamond Dave MU

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Phew. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:39:32

are you illiterate? - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:03:47

I'm not looking to claim victory over you - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:10:53

And, that is nonsense. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:32:49

That is a non-responsive point - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:22:02

Whatever makes you feel better - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:27:31

Feelings are irrelelevant - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:31:16

I'm not sure you have posted 1 fact or logic, but I also - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:42:50

Your slip is showing. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:46:10

given the flexible nature of your ability to percieve - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:45:00

I will stick up for Fiji here. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:49:00

Actually, I think you were better at that over the last - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 10:51:17

If you would've asked me 3 years ago, I'd have the - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:01:15

Unlike the wins vs. nu, cu, tt, bu, ksu, aTm all programs - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:08:43

Those programs have been better than the SEC bottom feeders. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:11:26

The difference between the conferences is that the bottom - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:21:39

Coaches. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:27:13

You have an uncanny ability to come off less intelligent the - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:48:43

Yes, call your superior stupid - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:53:26

I'm calling stupid, stupid. (nm) - FIJItiger MU

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With Diamond Dave as your trusty - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:57:40

Unchallenged because they're ridiculous points to begin with - Diamond Dave MU

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I can't help you if you can't read - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:28:29

Acknowledge the SEC is better than the B12 - Diamond Dave MU

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It isn't better - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:40:57

Stand proud with LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU, SC, Georgia. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:38:07

Penn St., Nubs, Minn., NW, and Illinois - Diamond Dave MU

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Wanna look at those teams over the last decade? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:41:44

I want to look at those teams now, because now is all that's - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 11:58:38

Well, if you say so, it must be true. LOL - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:17:47

What years? - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 09:29:40

RE: What years? - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:42:02

Here - FIJItiger MU

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Don't bother arguing. Anyone who says 7 Final Fours to 6 - Diamond Dave MU

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I did acknowledge the championships - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:56:16

Top to bottom the SEC in the past hasn't been a - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:07:25

Some bad teams in both league, but let's be honest here - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:13:00

Its likely going to be a worse league going forward - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:15:42

If I were Bill Self, I'd take that reputation of being a - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:20:18

But then you would be wearing a wig (nm) - FIJItiger MU

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You seem to have forgotten something - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:59:36

I'm mostly providing this content for the benefit of the - FIJItiger MU

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RE: I'm mostly providing this content for the benefit of the - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:33:15

RE: I'm mostly providing this content for the benefit of the - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:35:51

My post is directly responsive - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:47:56

Answer the question. How many titles has the B12 won - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 09:46:17

I have not denied that the SEC has more titles - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:50:11

My strawman? You argue a FF stat starting in 2000 - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 10:01:49

RE: My strawman? You argue a FF stat starting in 2000 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:20:40

You've been saying this for years. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 09:02:27

I have. And the Big 12 has never been a particularly - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 09:22:57

haha. Yeah, okay. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:20:11

Read the post directly below this from 2010 - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:22:37

I read it and it still doesn't prove your point. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:26:15

It doesn't demonstrate I have been saying it for years? - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:29:55

No, it doesn't. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:34:31

Thanks RobertP, at least he is honest about - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:40:38

So, now I shouldn't take your words at face value? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:07:00

Don't be argumentative / Do take my statement at face - FIJItiger MU

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you're telling me not to be argumentative? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:15:54

So we haven't repetitively gone down the path of agreeing - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 11:18:42

Not repetitively, no. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:55:07

Here is a prior post on the subject for support - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 09:25:09

Oh, I remember that thread well. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:24:46

RE: Oh, I remember that thread well. - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:33:31

"for the sake of simplicity" - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:36:38

If you want to compile and analyze data you don't have - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 10:45:05

It must have been tough for you to take all of the heat over - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:08:45

No, its a discussion board. Not a popularity contest (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 11:21:32

Given. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:51:28

It's fun to go through that thread and read my own posts. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:34:10

RE: It's fun to go through that thread and read my own posts. - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 09:37:48

I've been saying for a long time that the b12 isn't a very - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:22:21

Really? Titles since 1989 and you can add in the additions - Diamond Dave MU

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Big 12 didn't exist in 1989 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 08:53:06

That's why I said you could even add the other teams - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 09:43:41

RE: That's why I said you could even add the other teams - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:47:01

6 NCs since 1993 to 1. - Diamond Dave MU

- 4/4 09:52:59

Agree with this. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 08:57:24

And how do you measure that? - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 09:09:21

Use RPI, Pom, SOS - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:28:03

Fiji's post below uses RPI - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 11:15:28

RE: And how do you measure that? - FIJItiger MU

- 4/4 09:25:50

Where has this post been the last 16 years? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 08:51:37

Big 12 may be deeper, but SEC better at the top - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 08:43:03

RE: Big 12 may be deeper, but SEC better at the top - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 08:54:44

and Final Fours (nm) - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 08:56:15

Since 2000 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:32:20

Interesting how you think the big12 started in 2000.(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 10:55:22

And 3 titles to 1. So the B12's percentage of finishing a - Diamond Dave MU

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RE: And 3 titles to 1. So the B12's percentage of finishing a - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:24:50

and as I've asked before - Sal KC - 4/4 07:50:47

we don't celebrate team championships - Iam4Mizzou MU

- 4/4 08:42:16

It establishes our conference at the highest level of - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 08:36:15

hope we can. zero Big XII titles(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU

- 4/4 08:38:42

Except for the two Big XII basketball tourney titles. - Ancient Arizonan MU - 4/4 09:14:48

yeah, I won't elevate tournament titles to the level - Iam4Mizzou MU

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Just ignore them and they'll go away. (nm) - Ancient Arizonan MU - 4/4 15:18:50

That argument just proves that we should go to the SEC. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:04:22

Except that it's not much of an argument. (nm) - Ancient Arizonan MU - 4/4 15:17:34

how many kU tshirts do you own?(nm) - TheShoe JC - 4/4 08:18:56

and 3 straight baseball titles (nm) - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 07:40:29

there is no BCS title in basketball - pickle MU

- 4/4 07:26:57

And three out of last seven in basketball only. - MizzouBuickFan MU - 4/4 00:41:05

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