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I have not denied that the SEC has more titles

Posted on: April 4, 2012 at 09:50:11 CT
RobertPHanssen MU
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I've said repeatedly that the SEC is clearly better at the championship level. It is kind of like the old NFC where you had a long run of superbowl champs but the AFC was the tougher conference top to bottom.

I realize you seem to have learned argumentation and logic from fiji but no one is arguing the strawman you have built up here. Keep swinging away if you want though.
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SEC has won past six(6) BCS Titles in either basketball or - MizzouBuickFan MU - 4/4 00:39:10
     WTF kind of statement is that? "past 6 BCS titles." would be - etherice MU - 4/4 10:49:19
     Big 12 has way more hoops tradition - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 08:31:53
          Big 12 has been the better basketball conference - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 08:39:32
               Not really - XRob MU - 4/4 09:28:46
               The Big 12 has rarely been a good bb conference - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 08:57:57
                    The big 12 has been better than the SEC - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:23:26
                         Yep, and it's not close. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:25:18
                              Wow. 1 measly title since I was in High School versus - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:41:37
                                   This is such stupid logic. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:44:56
                                        How so? Stupid is saying "well the Conference didn't win - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:48:56
                                             Your syntax is confusing as hell. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:50:48
                                                  I understand your logic, but it's flat out wrong. - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 11:01:34
                                                       Sagarin rankings... - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 11:25:00
                                                            Yeah, good point. A lot of people look at the Sagarin - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 11:29:14
                                                                 When ranking the conferences, yes - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 11:33:49
                                                       So, the Horizon league was a top 2 league 2009-2011? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:04:33
                                             So the Pac 12 is the best conference - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:50:30
                                   RE: Wow. 1 measly title since I was in High School versus - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:42:45
                         Since 1996, the SEC has won 4 national championships - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:41:22
                              RE: Since 1996, the SEC has won 4 national championships - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:45:33
                                   Championships are all that matters - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 09:48:12
                                        That doesn't define the best conference. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:25:56
                                             So all of those Conf. websites touting the number of - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:33:29
                                                  This isn't difficult, dude. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:35:30
                                                       It's not difficult. The Conference claims the number of - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:40:35
                                                            You seriously want to go there, dude? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:43:19
                                                                 I made the argument last week that no one including MU - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:52:41
                                                                      You can't just look at titles. You should look at - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:12:46
                                                                           Seems fair to me. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:18:11
                                                                                The ACC has been getting worse. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:25:39
                                                                                     I wish someone would do the research on quality of coaches - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:38:21
                                                                      When I evaluate conferences, I consider all the teams. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:02:53
                                                                           Hmmmmm........last 6 football, 3 out of the last 6 in hoops, - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 11:17:20
                                                                                Predictable. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:24:16
                                                                                     And how have you stacked up against us recently - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 11:32:14
                                                                                          That's the sad part. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:34:06
                                                                                     Yeah, you're better - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 11:30:49
                                                            Greatest basketball conf. ever: The Pac 12 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:42:00
                                                                 Pac 12 better than the B12 - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:50:05
                                                                      No, it is the greatest conference ever - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:51:18
                                                                      wow. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:51:08
                                        Unless the argument isn't about championships - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:51:20
                                             What are we talking about then? Your position that - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 09:55:23
                                                  Why are you only considering the performance of 1 team - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:32:12
                                                       Then the easiest thing is for Kentucky and Florida to go - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:37:59
                                                            That is an insane post - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:40:01
                                                            Do you not understand what comprises a "conference"? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:39:10
                                                                 I'm trying to figure out a way for the SEC to not claim - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:46:12
                                                                      So, Horizon League was a top 2 conference the last 2 years? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:47:55
                                                                           Hansen would make that argument because he ONLY - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 11:04:01
                                                                                Stop lying about me - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 11:35:21
                                                                                So, yes or no on the Horizon league? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:06:06
                                                                                     Now we're getting really down and dirty - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 11:19:12
                                                                                          hahahahaha - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:24:48
                                                                                               And your sarcasm radar just hit - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 11:31:31
                                                                                                    Phew. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:39:32
                                                  are you illiterate? - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:03:47
                                                       I'm not looking to claim victory over you - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:10:53
                                                            And, that is nonsense. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:32:49
                                                            That is a non-responsive point - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:22:02
                                                                 Whatever makes you feel better - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:27:31
                                                                      Feelings are irrelelevant - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:31:16
                                                                           I'm not sure you have posted 1 fact or logic, but I also - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:42:50
                                                                                Your slip is showing. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:46:10
                                                                                given the flexible nature of your ability to percieve - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:45:00
                                                                                     I will stick up for Fiji here. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:49:00
                                                                                          Actually, I think you were better at that over the last - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 10:51:17
                                                                                               If you would've asked me 3 years ago, I'd have the - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:01:15
                                                                                                    Unlike the wins vs. nu, cu, tt, bu, ksu, aTm all programs - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:08:43
                                                                                                         Those programs have been better than the SEC bottom feeders. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:11:26
                                                                                                              The difference between the conferences is that the bottom - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 11:21:39
                                                                                                                   Coaches. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:27:13
                                                                                     You have an uncanny ability to come off less intelligent the - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:48:43
                                                                                          Yes, call your superior stupid - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:53:26
                                                                                               I'm calling stupid, stupid. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:54:37
                                                                                                    With Diamond Dave as your trusty - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:57:40
                                                       Unchallenged because they're ridiculous points to begin with - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:08:44
                                                            I can't help you if you can't read - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:28:29
                                                                 Acknowledge the SEC is better than the B12 - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:31:45
                                                                      It isn't better - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:40:57
                                                                      Stand proud with LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU, SC, Georgia. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:38:07
                                                                           Penn St., Nubs, Minn., NW, and Illinois - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 11:27:16
                                                                                Wanna look at those teams over the last decade? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:41:44
                                                                                     I want to look at those teams now, because now is all that's - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 11:58:38
                                                                                          Well, if you say so, it must be true. LOL - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:17:47
                         What years? - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 09:29:40
                              RE: What years? - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:42:02
                                   Here - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 09:52:06
                                        Don't bother arguing. Anyone who says 7 Final Fours to 6 - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:04:09
                                             I did acknowledge the championships - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:56:16
                                             Top to bottom the SEC in the past hasn't been a - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:07:25
                                                  Some bad teams in both league, but let's be honest here - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:13:00
                                                       Its likely going to be a worse league going forward - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:15:42
                                                            If I were Bill Self, I'd take that reputation of being a - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:20:18
                                                                 But then you would be wearing a wig (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:23:59
                                        You seem to have forgotten something - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:59:36
                                             I'm mostly providing this content for the benefit of the - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:04:07
                                                  RE: I'm mostly providing this content for the benefit of the - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:33:15
                                                       RE: I'm mostly providing this content for the benefit of the - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:35:51
                                                            My post is directly responsive - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:47:56
                                   Answer the question. How many titles has the B12 won - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 09:46:17
                                        I have not denied that the SEC has more titles - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:50:11
                                             My strawman? You argue a FF stat starting in 2000 - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 10:01:49
                                                  RE: My strawman? You argue a FF stat starting in 2000 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:20:40
                    You've been saying this for years. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 09:02:27
                         I have. And the Big 12 has never been a particularly - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 09:22:57
                              haha. Yeah, okay. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:20:11
                                   Read the post directly below this from 2010 - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:22:37
                                        I read it and it still doesn't prove your point. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:26:15
                                             It doesn't demonstrate I have been saying it for years? - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:29:55
                                                  No, it doesn't. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:34:31
                                                       Thanks RobertP, at least he is honest about - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:40:38
                                                            So, now I shouldn't take your words at face value? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:07:00
                                                                 Don't be argumentative / Do take my statement at face - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 11:10:28
                                                                      you're telling me not to be argumentative? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:15:54
                                                                           So we haven't repetitively gone down the path of agreeing - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 11:18:42
                                                                                Not repetitively, no. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:55:07
                              Here is a prior post on the subject for support - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 09:25:09
                                   Oh, I remember that thread well. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:24:46
                                        RE: Oh, I remember that thread well. - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:33:31
                                             "for the sake of simplicity" - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:36:38
                                                  If you want to compile and analyze data you don't have - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 10:45:05
                                                       It must have been tough for you to take all of the heat over - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 11:08:45
                                                            No, its a discussion board. Not a popularity contest (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 11:21:32
                                                                 Given. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 12:51:28
                                   It's fun to go through that thread and read my own posts. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:34:10
                                        RE: It's fun to go through that thread and read my own posts. - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 09:37:48
                         I've been saying for a long time that the b12 isn't a very - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:22:21
               Really? Titles since 1989 and you can add in the additions - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 08:44:42
                    Big 12 didn't exist in 1989 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 08:53:06
                         That's why I said you could even add the other teams - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 09:43:41
                              RE: That's why I said you could even add the other teams - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:47:01
                                   6 NCs since 1993 to 1. - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 09:52:59
                         Agree with this. - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 08:57:24
                              And how do you measure that? - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 09:09:21
                                   Use RPI, Pom, SOS - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 10:28:03
                                        Fiji's post below uses RPI - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 11:15:28
                                   RE: And how do you measure that? - FIJItiger MU - 4/4 09:25:50
                    Where has this post been the last 16 years? - tjwheeler UI - 4/4 08:51:37
               Big 12 may be deeper, but SEC better at the top - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 08:43:03
                    RE: Big 12 may be deeper, but SEC better at the top - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 08:54:44
                         and Final Fours (nm) - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 08:56:15
                              Since 2000 - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 09:32:20
                                   Interesting how you think the big12 started in 2000.(nm) - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 10:55:22
                                   And 3 titles to 1. So the B12's percentage of finishing a - Diamond Dave MU - 4/4 09:57:44
                                        RE: And 3 titles to 1. So the B12's percentage of finishing a - RobertPHanssen MU - 4/4 10:24:50
     and as I've asked before - Sal KC - 4/4 07:50:47
          we don't celebrate team championships - Iam4Mizzou MU - 4/4 08:42:16
          It establishes our conference at the highest level of - 90Tiger MU - 4/4 08:36:15
               hope we can. zero Big XII titles(nm) - Iam4Mizzou MU - 4/4 08:38:42
                    Except for the two Big XII basketball tourney titles. - Ancient Arizonan MU - 4/4 09:14:48
                         yeah, I won't elevate tournament titles to the level - Iam4Mizzou MU - 4/4 10:01:19
                              Just ignore them and they'll go away. (nm) - Ancient Arizonan MU - 4/4 15:18:50
                    That argument just proves that we should go to the SEC. - BadAsh SEC - 4/4 09:04:22
                         Except that it's not much of an argument. (nm) - Ancient Arizonan MU - 4/4 15:17:34
          how many kU tshirts do you own?(nm) - TheShoe JC - 4/4 08:18:56
     and 3 straight baseball titles (nm) - NYC Tiger MU - 4/4 07:40:29
     there is no BCS title in basketball - pickle MU - 4/4 07:26:57
     And three out of last seven in basketball only. - MizzouBuickFan MU - 4/4 00:41:05




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