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You are missing my point about Kansas recruiting

Posted on: March 31, 2012 at 15:11:17 CT
JimD MU
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There aren't enough great Kansas kids for even one school, BUT, kU has gotten talented Kansas kids when they were available, and Martin got kids like Spradling. Yes, kU recruits nationally, because they HAVE to, and they will pay whatever it takes to make that happen.

Martin got athletes for other reasons. First, he has strong hispanic community relationships, and second (and probably most important) was his strong AAU connections.

For Weber, there aren't enough strong Kansas kids year in and year out, he hasn't set up relationships there anyway, and he hasn't really recruited nationally. So where does he get top flight kids from? That's why I think it was a too quick and poor hire, and he will probably struggle and be gone in 3 to 4 years.

Now if he finds a way to get kids there, he can be successful, as I do agree he is a good x's and o's coach. But that is an awfully big if.
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Bruce Weber to Kansas State - Chamberlain KU - 3/31 10:35:58
     Has The Personality Of A Marshmallow - MizzouView MU - 3/31 18:39:04
     Great hire IMHO, thought he got a little of a raw deal at IL - WahooMizzou MU - 3/31 15:59:10
     Terrible hire. nm - Lerxst MU - 3/31 15:15:18
     RE: Bruce Weber to Kansas State - buddha22 MU - 3/31 15:10:36
     He was talking to SMU supposedly.(nm) - LongGone MU - 3/31 14:21:16
     I think this hire is better than I thought the Haith hire - BOILERTIGER MU - 3/31 13:17:22
     What an absolutely awful hire(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 3/31 13:05:13
          Why? - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 13:17:45
               Huge difference between Haith and Webber - jlbomega MU - 3/31 17:02:00
                    You're entitled to be ignorant. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 18:48:45
               Ok... and Frank Haith was an awful hire, but so far he's - Mizzmi27 MU - 3/31 14:36:22
                    Weber in 2012 vs FH in 2011. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 14:39:34
                         Weber was also at a school where the fans realized they - Mizzmi27 MU - 3/31 14:43:12
                              Disagree. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 14:50:29
                                   ^^^Haith has an opportunity to have a great career at MU... - MizzouBuickFan MU - 3/31 16:45:49
                                        And, that's completely unrelated to my point. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 18:50:23
                                   Saying they are both bad hires does not mean they - Mizzmi27 MU - 3/31 15:01:04
                         With someone else's players, it should be. (nm) - ArnoldBabar MU - 3/31 14:40:15
                              Weber's had success with his own players. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 14:51:50
                                   RE: Weber's had success with his own players. - MizzouBuickFan MU - 3/31 16:49:50
                                        The lack of a PG was the issue. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 18:49:52
                                   I wasn't talking about Weber. (nm) - ArnoldBabar MU - 3/31 14:59:59
               Frank Haith was an equivalently awful hire. (nm) - ArnoldBabar MU - 3/31 14:22:14
                    Worse than Weber. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 14:24:43
                         I meant from the absolute head-shaking done in each - ArnoldBabar MU - 3/31 14:26:12
                              I'm with you there. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 14:35:31
               Currie clearly had a plan for who he wanted - BOILERTIGER MU - 3/31 13:23:59
                    RE: Currie clearly had a plan for who he wanted - Ohtiger MU - 3/31 16:39:51
                    Illinois is still looking for a coach? - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 13:27:56
                         Ha, I didn't realized you hired someone - BOILERTIGER MU - 3/31 13:39:13
                              RE: Ha, I didn't realized you hired someone - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 14:01:07
     Enjoy losing to him too (nm) - DiggerPhelps MU - 3/31 13:00:41
     Very bad hire. Give him 3 or 4 years and then he'll be gone - JimD MU - 3/31 12:30:40
          RE: Very bad hire. Give him 3 or 4 years and then he'll be gone - buddha22 MU - 3/31 15:12:10
     He had Chicago in hs bad yard and couldn't win! - MoGold MU - 3/31 12:21:49
     that's a lot better than I thought they'd do. nm - AndyTiger MU - 3/31 12:16:29
     O........kay?That was not even close to what I expected - JLTiger MU - 3/31 12:02:10
     Did a good job recruiting for the Illini but - MU-TULSA MU - 3/31 11:56:36
     6-3 vs Missouri. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 11:45:56
          I think MU will continue to run our current streak ... - MizzouBuickFan MU - 3/31 16:53:20
               I think you should create yet another handle. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 19:01:50
          kind of interesting how the series has gone over the last 21 - AndyTiger MU - 3/31 12:37:26
               Oh, I thought the series was more than 21 games. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 12:50:34
                    well sure, Illinois owned Missouri in the 80s - AndyTiger MU - 3/31 12:53:19
                         The series isn't 11-10. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 12:57:04
                              No, I'm saying I think Mizzou will likely win the next 5 or - AndyTiger MU - 3/31 13:20:00
                                   RE: No, I'm saying I think Mizzou will likely win the next 5 or - MizzouBuickFan MU - 3/31 16:56:08
                                   You said it was 11-10. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 13:28:55
                                        its not silly, its a prediction.... - Coors4bob MU - 3/31 17:56:13
                                             It's a silly prediction. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 18:51:17
                                        no I didn't. - AndyTiger MU - 3/31 14:16:09
                                             Just very odd to exclude the 80's. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 14:38:43
                                                  by decade - AndyTiger MU - 3/31 16:49:58
                                                       Another pattern: - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 18:52:59
                                                            What's your point? - AndyTiger MU - 3/31 19:18:39
                                                                 Just showing a streak that follows 3 MU wins. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 19:25:38
                                        Ummm - junior55 MU - 3/31 13:53:02
                                             Ehhhhhh? - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 13:58:41
                                                  when the OP tells you he's selecting a period - 90Tiger MU - 3/31 14:50:33
                                                       And, I'm saying that selectivity is silly. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 14:52:30
                                                            you're being argumentative, period (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 3/31 19:01:37
                                                                 And, you were condescending. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 19:13:22
                                        He said it was 11-10 over the past 21 years. - zodiac6 JC - 3/31 13:48:28
                                             It's also clear why he would choose that range. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 13:56:17
          Well TJ, if that were indicative of anything, Weber would - JimD MU - 3/31 12:27:29
               So, since he got fired, he's a lousy coach? - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 12:52:07
                    I never said that. But I do think it's a very bad hire - JimD MU - 3/31 14:46:16
                         I didn't think your points had much merit. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 14:58:13
                              You are missing my point about Kansas recruiting - JimD MU - 3/31 15:11:17
                                   RE: You are missing my point about Kansas recruiting - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 15:17:30
                                        If they are Top 150 kids they will absolutely be on kU's - JimD MU - 3/31 16:15:53
                                             No, they won't necessarily. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 16:25:36
                                                  HE DOES NOT GET TOP 150 KIDS EXCEPT ILLINOIS - JimD MU - 3/31 16:36:28
                                                       You keep switching arguments. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 18:58:14
          Mizzou will likely win 6 or 7 in a row vs Illinois before - AndyTiger MU - 3/31 12:18:48
               RE: Mizzou will likely win 6 or 7 in a row vs Illinois before - MizzouBuickFan MU - 3/31 16:57:59
               Yeah, okay. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 12:52:32
                    Glad you agree(nm) - high.nrg MU - 3/31 13:25:55
                         No problem. - tjwheeler UI - 3/31 13:29:22
                              You're welcome(nm) - high.nrg MU - 3/31 15:31:16
          0-3 in last three. Nm - MoGold MU - 3/31 12:16:01
          He won't be coaching against Missouri(nm) - doughboy MU - 3/31 11:47:31
     K what? - restore the roar MU - 3/31 11:31:02
          LOL! ^^^ - MizzouBuickFan MU - 3/31 11:35:56
     Not Mizzou's conference - doughboy MU - 3/31 11:22:32
     they had no interest in Eustachy and then get bruce? - SuperTone MU - 3/31 11:07:29
     They'll be pining for Jim Wooldridge in a year or so nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 3/31 11:05:18
     What an absolute abortion of a hire. (nm) - ArnoldBabar MU - 3/31 11:02:30
     ESPN Radio just confirmed Weber to K-State nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 3/31 10:49:38
     So they eschew the homeboy who Kruger was championing - Domino MU - 3/31 10:48:46
          WHAT ABOUT GOTTLIEB!!!!(nm) - FromKCtoCoMO MU - 3/31 10:49:50
     Horrible hire - FromKCtoCoMO MU - 3/31 10:43:27
          I thought it was for certain going to be Henson - Domino MU - 3/31 10:50:02
          RE: Horrible hire - Chamberlain KU - 3/31 10:46:33
               I promised myself I'd never question another hire - FromKCtoCoMO MU - 3/31 10:49:11
     nobody cares!! we wont be playing k-state any more and nobod - bloodybill MU - 3/31 10:38:40
     bill self just passed out laughing. nm - Die-Hard MU - 3/31 10:38:24
     This is tigerboard. We arent in the big 10 or the big 12. - Wildcat06Tiger10 SEC - 3/31 10:38:10




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