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yeah, they need to get rid of tenure for teachers

Posted on: February 29, 2012 at 18:20:46 CT
Fire Marshall Bill MU
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in no other profession is it as virtually impossible to fire an incompetent employee.

The problem is, there really is no objective way to measure teacher performance.
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has anyone seen this? Coolest thing ever - CraigS MU - 2/29 17:43:36
     Yeah, sorta cool, but old news... I'll PH this with a better - thedad MU - 3/1 05:02:18
     A friend is building me a 3-d printer - BostonTiger JC - 2/29 21:23:33
     badass(nm) - BlackFlagTiger MU - 2/29 18:09:54
     That is insane.(nm) - tigerfan85tk MU - 2/29 17:54:34
     a high school in my area has one for drafting classes - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/29 17:50:15
          what a huge waste - CraigS MU - 2/29 17:53:30
               yeah, they could've hired another teacher for that - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/29 17:54:37
                    Documentary about how f-ed up the unions for teachers are - CraigS MU - 2/29 18:19:08
                         yeah, they need to get rid of tenure for teachers - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/29 18:20:46
                              Reason for tenure...please educate yourself and others. - catbirdseat MU - 2/29 19:08:40
                                   I'm not attacking the profession - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/29 19:13:15
                                   Tenure was created for COLLEGE professors - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:13:06
                                        tenure track professors get tenure almost automatically - TheShoe JC - 2/29 19:25:06
                                        No...Teachers in my school district are "offered" tenure - catbirdseat MU - 2/29 19:24:51
                                             Again, I'm not bashing good teachers - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:30:50
                                                  Tenure is written into the contract, and so is a due process - catbirdseat MU - 2/29 19:39:46
                                                       Comparing colleges such as stanford brown to magnet schools - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:46:15
                                                            Doesn't matter..once you transfer the money to corporations - catbirdseat MU - 2/29 19:57:03
                                                                 Think about the fun teachers have teaching creationsim - CraigS MU - 2/29 20:01:20
                              wow, myths and bull**** abound - TheShoe JC - 2/29 18:30:16
                                   they key work here is "objective" - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/29 18:38:24
                                        RE: they key work here is "objective" - catbirdseat MU - 2/29 19:27:38
                                        and you base this opinion on what? - TheShoe JC - 2/29 18:44:56
                                             like you - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/29 18:49:18
                                                  Tenue does not protect teacher jobs. That is a myth... - catbirdseat MU - 2/29 19:38:07
                                                       then what does tenure do? - SoCalTigr UM - 2/29 19:52:09
                                                            It forces school districts to go through a formal - catbirdseat MU - 2/29 20:14:39
                                                            not much really - TheShoe JC - 2/29 19:57:12
                                                  fair enough(nm) - TheShoe JC - 2/29 18:50:39
                                                       don't you agree it takes an administrator with some balls - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/29 18:53:22
                                                            there are several ways to handle that - TheShoe JC - 2/29 18:57:35
                                                                 as an administrator how many teachers has your school fired - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:03:07
                                                                      Why would this be a problem for teachers? If administrators - catbirdseat MU - 2/29 19:17:59
                                                                           The argument has come a long way from the main point - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:28:35
                                                                                There is a clause in every contract allowing for removal of - catbirdseat MU - 2/29 19:46:30
                                                                                     And who steps in - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:50:05
                                                                                          Who negotiates and signs contracts - catbirdseat MU - 2/29 20:22:40
                                                                                dude - TheShoe JC - 2/29 19:31:32
                                                                                     reduction in force not FIRED for performance - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:34:51
                                                                                          no state publishes termination stats based on performance - TheShoe JC - 2/29 19:42:10
                                                                                               Waiting for Superman points it out but the NY times and - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:48:46
                                                                                                    ah, so again the movie must be true - TheShoe JC - 2/29 19:52:20
                                                                                                         I love how you skip right over the fact that the NY times - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:56:50
                                                                                                              it doesn't really bring much authority or credibility - TheShoe JC - 2/29 19:58:55
                                                                                                                   I do. Contrary to what you might think - CraigS MU - 2/29 20:03:51
                                                                                                                        you gonna share?(nm) - TheShoe JC - 2/29 20:04:38
                                                                      I don't work in secondary ed anymore - TheShoe JC - 2/29 19:05:47
                                                                           So what you are saying is they don't... But tenure doesn't - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:09:56
                                                                                that was really a comment about non-tenured teachers - TheShoe JC - 2/29 19:11:28
                                                                                     Look, I'm not out to fire all teachers or disrespect - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:16:50
                                                                                          Scores in schools are directly tied to the economics of the - catbirdseat MU - 2/29 20:30:31
                                                                                          Generalization??? - CraigS MU - 2/29 19:32:57
                                                                                          these are all very nice talking points - TheShoe JC - 2/29 19:29:18
                                                                 agree - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/29 19:02:01
                                   That is 100% incorrect. Watch the movie Waiting for Superma - CraigS MU - 2/29 18:34:04
                                        yeah, let's not get carried away and thinking everything is - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/29 18:40:04
                                        so you're basing your entire knowledge base on a movie? - TheShoe JC - 2/29 18:36:18
                                             My brother is an admin and sis a history teacher and we - CraigS MU - 2/29 18:40:33
                                                  lol - TheShoe JC - 2/29 18:46:20
                                             and I will add - TheShoe JC - 2/29 18:40:14
                              My math teacher, Mrs Curtis (woman was evil) in high school - CraigS MU - 2/29 18:23:37
                                   was she hot? - JG MU - 2/29 18:56:19
                                        she was probably 70. If you are into that sorta thing - CraigS MU - 2/29 18:57:28
                                   she said, "you're a retard, you'll be a trash man when you - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/29 18:25:00
                                        Nope. Lafayette High School Wildwood in 99. Funny thing - CraigS MU - 2/29 18:29:27
     PBS's "This Old House" did a remake of an ol colonial - jp4Mizzou MU - 2/29 17:45:21
          I almost bought that house in 2007 - BostonTiger JC - 2/29 21:43:52
          I'm thinking I should figure out who makes these and buy - CraigS MU - 2/29 17:47:38




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